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  • #61
    Originally posted by Da Coach View Post

    I hate to drag this out, but it seems the consensus of legal experts disagree with this. You're saying someone's verbal statement overrules a written, signed contract? What am I missing here?

    The claim here is that Geno was told verbally by someone at Kent State that they would not enforce his written contract, but then Kent State went ahead and sued for breach of the written contract, anyway. And then the Ohio state courts repeatedly upheld the written contract and ruled in favor of Kent State and rejected Bradley's and Geno's appeals, but that was because they were all biased because they were all from Ohio? Is that right? Sorry, but it's really hard to buy that every judge in Ohio is that corrupt. If they were biased toward Ohio, why wouldn't they support Geno? He is an Ohio legend.

    I am not a lawyer, but I have negotiated contracts with and for a major corporation. And from what I have been told by multiple legal experts is that although "verbal contracts" can sometimes be as legally binding as written contracts, they are often hard to prove in court, and when it comes to a conflict between a verbal statement (contract?) and a written, signed contract, it is the written contract that is held legally binding by courts.
    Again, that is not just my opinion, but what I have been told repeatedly by contract attorneys and what is said by many legal sources I can find on the internet. Here are just a couple-

    https://www.mlflitigation.com/media/...tten-contract/
    Verbal Terms Cannot Contradict the Written Contract
    What if there were, according to us, verbal terms or statements made at the time of signing that lead us to believe that a certain understanding was in effect. What if that understanding was contradictory to the written terms of the contract? Can we rely on a verbal understanding to escape liability? The answer is unfortunately no.


    https://www.mkpalaw.com/blog/2019/03...egal-disputes/ -
    Written agreements trump verbal ones in legal disputes.
    In the words of one anonymous British humorist, “Oral agreements aren’t worth the paper they’re not written on.”
    You think it’s a done deal, right? But unless any changes and modifications to the existing contract are put into writing and signed by both parties, any verbally agreed-upon changes or oral agreements between the two of you will not be enforceable in a court of law.
    Yes, you are missing something. I linked you the entire legal doctrine. It's called promissory estoppel/detrimental reliance. You can't promise someone that you won't enforce a provision of a contract, have that person rely on your promise, and them sue them to enforce the provision you said you wouldn't.

    This wasn't a verbal contract issue. It wasn't an integration clause issue either (that's what your two links are talking about). It was Kent State telling Geno and Bradley they could do something, both of them doing it, and Kent State reneging on it after the fact. Kent State got away with it because (1) they were stuck in Ohio state courts that were going out of their way to protect the state school's money, and (2) Geno's lawyer defended the case by claiming the $1.2 million buyout figure was unenforceable rather than focusing on them being estopped from denying the buyout negotiation promise.

    The reality was Kent State agreed he could interview, agreed the buyout would be $600,000, and then was apparently mad he took a new job and sued. The first two things happen all the time in college sports. The latter virtually never happens because smart ADs don't want to scare off future coaching candidates by making promises and then claiming they didn't.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Chris View Post


      Do you think Geno would risk having a huge judgment taken against him, ruining his life, by talking to Bradley without first asking permission?...

      NOBODY disputed that Geno and Bradley requested and GOT permission to interview and talk to Bradley. The issue that prompted the lawsuit was that the signed contract between Geno & Kent State required they GET PERMISSION TO HIRE AND SIGN GENO TO A CONTRACT AT BRADLEY. (a separate action) But neither Geno nor Bradley did, thus prompting the lawsuit. It really is quite simple. Bradley was named for their interference by signing Ford, not by interviewing him. Seems you have that confused.

      And it wasn't "random" - it was reckless and negligent and that's exactly how the courts found it.

      And I note you also failed to answer Da Coach's question about favoritism in the Ohio Courts, Of course you know there were multiple judges that heard the cases ( 2011CV00511 , 2013PA00091 , , 2017PA00056 )
      ...and I believe the appeals court was a panel of THREE judges - so you're saying they are all biased and yet they they did NOT favor Geno Ford, who along with his father are both statewide legends in Ohio?

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      • #63
        I'm not sure why you're so worked up about this.

        I never represented Geno regarding what happened in Ohio. As I said, I represented him here in Illinois when Kent State tried to garnish his wages. That didn't even happen until they already got a judgment against him for obvious reasons that you didn't understand. I had literally nothing to do with that case, but apparently you didn't bother reading that correctly before attacking me professionally.

        I don't work for Bradley. I don't and have never represented Bradley. I don't know who you think I am or who you think my "more senior law partners." There are none that would know anything about this.

        If you're going to be an a****** about something, you should at least correctly understand what you're talking about. But at this point I'm just never going to interact with you ever again. You're not a lawyer and you don't understand the law.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Chris View Post
          You're not a lawyer and you don't understand the law.
          For the record, you don't need to be a lawyer to understand the law.
          Larry Bird
          I've got a theory that if you give 100 percent all of the time, somehow things will work out in the end.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Chris View Post

            I never represented Geno regarding what happened in Ohio. ....You're not a lawyer and you don't understand the law.
            first - with all due respect that argument don't work on a message board or anywhere else - just claiming "hey I'm a lawyer so I'm smarter and I'm right, you're wrong, and I expect you to back down." No, I won't back down, as I believe I know what I am talking about.

            Anyway, you readily admit, you only came in on the case way late to help Geno fight the collection agency. Doubtful you read the hundreds of pages of court proceedings in the years prior to KSU garnishing Geno's pay from Bradley?

            It is pretty much settled science that Joanne Glasser's actions got Bradley embroiled in the lawsuits, just like she plummeted enrollment by tightening the screws on every other department, closing some departments and trying to funnel revenue away form the other successful departments so as to help float the massive cash-losing athletic department under Cross & Geno. And just like she ran off literally dozens of lifelong Bradley people like Hersey Hawkins, Jim Les, Ken Kavanagh, Harry Puterbaugh, Brian McGough, Robert Turner, Joe Stowell, and several other board members, costing the University millions in donations, pledges & support.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by yoda View Post
              I have sent multiple emails and made several phone calls since June, and haven't gotten a single response.
              The emails sent out over the summer were from "Nathan Bramwell" but if you email him, you get no response. If you call his extension at Bradley, there's a recorded message saying he isn't with Bradley any more and you should call Craig Dahlquist. I have known Craig for years, so I tried sending him a couple emails then I tried calling his extension and left messages. I have never gotten even one response.
              With the fan excitement peaking after the TBT experience, you would think they givadam about selling tickets to the fans, but apparently not.
              Seems they are really lacking for people who really care.
              I know other people who want to get in on season tickets and they likewise have never gotten a return call. This is not good for business.
              If they don't care to sell season tix, they'll lose fans or just gonna get people walking up & buying general admission to see games.
              Originally posted by yoda View Post
              Got my whole batch of tickets in the mail from Loyola for the Bradley game up there Jan. 8.
              Still haven't got my Bradley tickets nor even heard back regarding my request to purchase additional season tickets this year.
              Just sayin' - BU used to be 1st tier when it came to all the fan/donor interactions and functions. Do they want our support?

              well, a little followup-
              after 2 years of trying to get someone in the Athletic Department interested in selling more season tickets - I guess I finally got in the right person's ear when I talked with Rick Gaa. (edit- Rick does not work at Bradley but he does get things done)
              He made a few calls and I immediately got a phone call from the Associate AD in charge of events and ticket office operations.

              and starting this week - there's a shakeup in the Athletic Dept. Major personnel changes, and a new person in charge of Events and Tickets - and it's quite a surprise who it is.
              https://bradleybraves.com/staff-dire...bby-parker/207

              and perhaps the single most important position in the Athletic Dept other then the AD himself, is the new person in charge of Development (fund raising, donations, support, etc - the guy who gets the money flowing in) ... still has never once called nor contacted me and I have personally never seen him nor met him.
              When Rick Gaa was in the position of Director of Development, he engaged everyone in the entire arena every nite and called everyone, met them for lunch, and did whatever possible to keep fans engaged and supporting Bradley. Heck, so did KK despite all the other duties he had. Sure miss those days.
              Last edited by yoda; 07-09-2022, 08:37 AM.

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