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  • Supreme Court rules against NCAA in player compensation lawsuit

    Apologies to NIT64, who posted this on the General Sports board. In trying to move it over to the basketball board so more would see it, it was accidentally deleted. Though this ruling applies to all NCAA sports, we'll put it here on the basketball board, since its effect on college basketball will be what interests most Bradley fans.

    Supreme Court says NCAA can't limit some benefits to student athletes


    The Supreme Court ruled unanimously Monday that the National Collegiate Athletic Association went too far in blocking some education-related aid for student athletes, a decision that comes as college athletics struggles with the issue of how to preserve its amateur status.
    The court said the NCAAviolated antitrust laws when it limited the amount students could receive for musical instruments, scientific equipment, postgraduate scholarships, tutoring, academic awards and paid internships.

    ... Justice Brett Kavanaugh said the “NCAA and its member colleges are suppressing the pay of student athletes who collectively generate billions of dollars in revenues for colleges every year. Those enormous sums of money flow to seemingly everyone except for student athletes.”
    He was especially critical of the NCAA’s justification for its rules, namely that the popularity of college athletics depends on fans knowing that the athletes aren’t paid.
    “The NCAA’s business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America," Kavanaugh wrote. "All of the restaurants in a region cannot come together to cut cooks’ wages on the theory that ‘customers prefer’ to eat food from low-paid cooks.”

    The Supreme Court's ruling did not, address the contentious issue of whether student athletes can be paid salaries or get other forms of compensation. The NCAA said it would consider this month whether student athletes can be compensated for the use of their names and images, which could allow them to benefit from endorsements and social media marketing.

  • #2
    This is a big win for the athletes, but it will be interesting to see what effect it will have on college sports. Will the richer schools be able to boost student benefits to entice athletes? And how will it affect the sports themselves.

    It would be great if somehow this ruling helped get some of the billions of dollars the NCAA hauls in each year into the pockets of the athletes themselves. Instead, it goes mostly to the athletics departments of the Power 6 conferences.
    But, this ruling does not have any affect on that money or how it's distributed.

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    • #3
      We will have to see how NCAA tries to navigate this. I understand the decision on a legal basis- the NCAA has no antitrust exemption unlike professional baseball. I worry about the unintended consequences. Universities are under pressure from COVID and declining enrollment. If they have to compensate the marquis sports stars the money needs to come from somewhere. I would not be surprised to see some sports cut. Do the following men’s sports generate much revenue ? baseball, cross country, golf, track and field, maybe soccer, women’s- cross country, golf, softball, tennis, track and field, volleyball and maybe women’s basketball. If not do some of these get cut to direct funds to money generating sports ?If so there are athletes that may not get a university education. I’m hope not but I worry that may be the result- today in essence the money/ donations associated with men’s basketball fund many of the others-if some/much of that goes to the men’s players-then oter athletes may feel the consequences- good for the men’s basketball players but bad for others.
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      • #4
        This seems like a pretty big deal, but I can’t predict what effect it will have long-term. The power conferences were opposed to this ruling, so perhaps that alone signals a good sign for us “non power” conferences? The powerful already got the best players, so honestly it could be that this offers an option for smaller conferences to win (hire?) key players occasionally. I don’t know. The whole thing feels a bit icky if it turns into a professional or semi-pro league… you might have teams mixed with paid and non-paid players, and it would split locker-rooms into a sort of caste system.
        Compete. Defend. Rebound. Win.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Dub View Post
          This seems like a pretty big deal, but I can’t predict what effect it will have long-term. The power conferences were opposed to this ruling, so perhaps that alone signals a good sign for us “non power” conferences? The powerful already got the best players, so honestly it could be that this offers an option for smaller conferences to win (hire?) key players occasionally. I don’t know. The whole thing feels a bit icky if it turns into a professional or semi-pro league… you might have teams mixed with paid and non-paid players, and it would split locker-rooms into a sort of caste system.
          The power conferences were opposed to this ruling, so perhaps that alone signals a good sign for us. YES TO THIS!

          The whole thing feels a bit icky if it turns into a professional or semi-pro league.
          Not sure I agree with this statement. Seems like the NCAA has been taking advantage and making huge profits off of these kids for decades under the guise of separation of pro and amateur athletics. I think that whole argument has been more about keeping the money and power centralized than it is in keeping the game 'pure'. And let's be honest, anyone who thinks money isn't a player in NCAA sports is naive. Most of our beef with the NCAA tournament is how they pander to the power conferences, and well, that's all about the Benjamins.
          Why this wouldn't be a pro or semi-pro situation is because you'd still have limited years of eligibility. If we didn't subsidize most of these universities with our tax dollars, I don't think this would be much of a conversation, but that's getting off topic altogether.

          My feeling is, let the free market reign. If someone is willing to pay someone to play, let them pay. In most cases, this has probably been happening anyway, so let's get it out in the open and let the universities run like a business instead of a government institution (corrupt and fat on tax payer money).

          I'd be interested to hear people's arguments against paying student athletes as I'm not 100% sure of my own stance on the conversation, but I tend to always lean toward letting the free market take care of things. I think an awful lot of reasons given by big corporations (yes, I know the NCAA is a non-profit organization, but please, that doesn't mean what most people think it means) for not allowing the free market are just really the centers of power and money trying to keep money and power centralized.
          Last edited by Tommy; 06-22-2021, 08:13 AM.
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          • #6
            Surprised there's not more fervor on this topic.
            Compete. Defend. Rebound. Win.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Dub View Post
              Surprised there's not more fervor on this topic.
              Probably because none of us really know what this will lead to in terms of how it affects the various sports and the fans' experience.
              I personally believe that like every other change that has come from the NCAA or from legal action against them, the NCAA and their buddies at the Power Conference schools will find a way for this to mainly benefit the big boys and hurt mid-major and smaller programs.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Dub View Post
                This seems like a pretty big deal, but I can’t predict what effect it will have long-term. The power conferences were opposed to this ruling, so perhaps that alone signals a good sign for us “non power” conferences? The powerful already got the best players, so honestly it could be that this offers an option for smaller conferences to win (hire?) key players occasionally. I don’t know. The whole thing feels a bit icky if it turns into a professional or semi-pro league… you might have teams mixed with paid and non-paid players, and it would split locker-rooms into a sort of caste system.
                I dont know why the Power conferences would be opposed to this. They pay their players now while the NCAA looks the other way. Creighton just got a slap on the wrist for pay for play. Bill Self and Kansas still have had nothing done to them even when the FBI hands them a treasure trove of information. The NCAA brought all this on themselves by becoming politicized and corrupt

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bradleyfan124 View Post

                  I dont know why the Power conferences would be opposed to this. They pay their players now while the NCAA looks the other way. Creighton just got a slap on the wrist for pay for play. Bill Self and Kansas still have had nothing done to them even when the FBI hands them a treasure trove of information. The NCAA brought all this on themselves by becoming politicized and corrupt
                  maybe because everyone will be paying, so now they’ll have to pay MORE… and they’ll have to pay all their guys (instead of just their studs) so they don’t go mid-major
                  Compete. Defend. Rebound. Win.

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                  • #10
                    Got this in a newsletter and thought it was relevant and couldn't agree more with everything said:

                    The Supreme Court Slam Dunks On The NCAA

                    https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/06/scotus-rules-unanimously-ncaa-violates-antitrust-law-by-limiting-athlete-compensation/
                    In a unanimous 9-0 decision, the SCOTUS found that the NCAA’s strict rules limiting compensation for student athletes violate antitrust law. The ruling written by Justice Gorsuch said this doesn’t open up the door to unlimited pay for college athletes, but the NCAA has to let colleges recruit them with compensation and benefits tied to education, such as internships, study abroad programs and limited pay for doing well in class.
                    Justice Kavanaugh went even further. You’ve got to click the link to read his opinion that sarcastically eviscerates the NCAA’s business model that he says would be “flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America.” For instance, imagine news organizations getting together to slash the pay of reporters and claim they’re preserving the spirit of public-minded journalism.
                    The fact is that the NCAA and pro football use colleges as minor leagues to develop talent. Star athletes risk their health to generate huge profits for colleges, but face a choice of having to work part time to survive or take help under the table and risk getting expelled. Nobody wants to see colleges openly acting like the junior NFL, but if they’re already doing it while hiding behind a veneer of NCAA-enforced rules, at least be honest and stop exploiting the athletes who make it possible.
                    Larry Bird
                    I've got a theory that if you give 100 percent all of the time, somehow things will work out in the end.

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                    • #11
                      The NCAA is preparing to issue a new sweeping proposal regarding the NIL rights of players (Name, Image, Likeness). But today, a group of ADs wrote a letter to the NCAA urging them to scrap their work, which has taken up much of this past year, and draft a new NIL proposal granting each school permission to create its own NIL rules.
                      https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/st...73740722929672



                      From what little I know about this whole new issue, allowing 350 different D1 schools (not to mention a thousand other lower level schools) to have their own separate NIL money-sharing plan would creat chaos, and again favor the bigger, richer schools who have a lot more money to spend.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
                        The NCAA is preparing to issue a new sweeping proposal regarding the NIL rights of players (Name, Image, Likeness). But today, a group of ADs wrote a letter to the NCAA urging them to scrap their work, which has taken up much of this past year, and draft a new NIL proposal granting each school permission to create its own NIL rules.
                        https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/st...73740722929672



                        From what little I know about this whole new issue, allowing 350 different D1 schools (not to mention a thousand other lower level schools) to have their own separate NIL money-sharing plan would creat chaos, and again favor the bigger, richer schools who have a lot more money to spend.
                        I would bet that group of AD's would be mostly from the power conferences. To me it would make sense to make it the same across the board to every school but that is why they probably oppose it. They want to be able to have the upper hand advantage on this

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by bradleyfan124 View Post

                          I would bet that group of AD's would be mostly from the power conferences....
                          That's what I first thought. But their names are at the bottom of the letter-
                          https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/st...73740722929672

                          Three of them are Power 6 Conference commissioners, and three are from mid-major conferences-
                          Jim Phillips, Commissioner of Atlantic Coast Conference
                          Richard Ensor, Commissioner Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference
                          Larry Scott, Commissioner Pac-12 Conference
                          Greg Sankey, Commissioner Southeastern Conference
                          Charles McClelland, Commissioner Southwestern Athletic Conference
                          Keith Gill, Commissioner SunBelt Conference

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