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Big fight in Kansas-Kansas State game

A different look at how the fight started. With the score 81-59 in favor of Kansas and only a couple seconds left, a Kansas State player stole the ball as Kansas was dribbling out the clock, and tried to make a breakaway layup. But a Kansas player took offense, blocked the shot, and clobbered him, and then stood over him and taunted him. The fight ensued with a couple of the Kansas players mixing it up with Kansas State players, team personnel, and even fans.
https://twitter.com/FTBVids1/status/1219803082768314368

 
Maybe you'd have to see the game as it played out - at least the final minute, but the JayHawk player looked to be the one at complete fault for this debacle.
K State guy was just playing hard to the end. ALL athletes should do that. They were losing anyhow - big whoop if you give up a meaningless deuce at the end!
Fine if the Kansas dude blocks it to make a statement, but absolutely NO need for taunting after that, which started the whole fight.
 
LittleBrave said:
Maybe you'd have to see the game as it played out - at least the final minute, but the JayHawk player looked to be the one at complete fault for this debacle.
K State guy was just playing hard to the end. ALL athletes should do that. They were losing anyhow - big whoop if you give up a meaningless deuce at the end!
Fine if the Kansas dude blocks it to make a statement, but absolutely NO need for taunting after that, which started the whole fight.
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IMO both sides at fault, hard to say who started it but K State should have let the refs deal with the taunting instead of rushing over there. Stealing the ball when someone is trying to dribble out the last few seconds is scummy and classless. That is like trying to sack the quarterback when the other team is taking a knee in football.
 
Here is a longer video that shows what happened after the brawl. The refs reviewed video, consulted, then ejected every player from both benches. The NCAA rule prohibits players from leaving the bench during any altercation, which every player on both benches did. Thus they were all subject to automatic ejections. Then they ruled that there was still 1 second left on the clock when a technical foul occurred and the fight started. There is a new rule this year that requires all games to be completed (to avoid issues with point-spread gambling). So they brought players from both teams back onto the court (it doesn't appear they are the same players who were playing prior to the brawl), the KSU player shot technical free throws, then KSU inbounded the ball to allow the final 1 second to expire. I am not sure why only a technical foul was called, since the Kansas State player who attempted the final shot was clearly fouled. So there should have also been regular foul shots. But the player who shot the technical free throws made 1 of 2, and the final score ended 81-60.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpiEn2Dif_g


The primary player involved for Kansas was Silvio De Sousa (#22). He threw punches, and even picked up a metal stool and appeared to be ready to clobber a Kansas State player with it, though he dropped it before hitting anyone. Below is a picture of him with the stool, which also shows Kansas assistant coach Jerrance Howard trying to restrain De Sousa.
So De Sousa will undoubtedly receive a significant suspension. Many other Kansas players were involved to various degrees, and every player who left the bench will probably get at least a 1 game suspension. The primary person involved for Kansas State was a player in street clothes (possibly James Love who is injured) who also appeared try to throw a punch or two, plus most Kansas State players also left their bench. There was a lot of pushing and pulling, and a few other non-players at the end of the court also got involved.

Image: Kansas State v Kansas
 
Da Coach said:
Here is a longer video that shows what happened after the brawl. The refs reviewed video, consulted, then ejected every player from both benches. The NCAA rule prohibits players from leaving the bench during any altercation, which every player on both benches did. Thus they were all subject to automatic ejections. Then they ruled that there was still 1 second left on the clock when a technical foul occurred and the fight started. There is a new rule this year that requires all games to be completed (to avoid issues with point-spread gambling). So they brought players from both teams back onto the court (it doesn't appear they are the same players who were playing prior to the brawl), the KSU player shot technical free throws, then KSU inbounded the ball to allow the final 1 second to expire. I am not sure why only a technical foul was called, since the Kansas State player who attempted the final shot was clearly fouled. So there should have also been regular foul shots. But the player who shot the technical free throws made 1 of 2, and the final score ended 81-60.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpiEn2Dif_g


The primary player involved for Kansas was Silvio De Sousa (#22). He threw punches, and even picked up a metal stool and appeared to be ready to clobber a Kansas State player with it, though he dropped it before hitting anyone. Below is a picture of him with the stool, which also shows Kansas assistant coach Jerrance Howard trying to restrain De Sousa.
So De Sousa will undoubtedly receive a significant suspension. Many other Kansas players were involved to various degrees, and every player who left the bench will probably get at least a 1 game suspension. The primary person involved for Kansas State was a player in street clothes (possibly James Love who is injured) who also appeared try to throw a punch or two, plus most Kansas State players also left their bench. There was a lot of pushing and pulling, and a few other non-players at the end of the court also got involved.

Image: Kansas State v Kansas
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De Sousa should be done for the season, and at KU, if the NCAA doesn't levy a season long suspension then Self should. He's already had a season long suspension so KU should just cut ties.

https://www.si.com/college/2019/09/...iolations-recruiting-adidas-fbi-investigation
 
Yeah, De Sousa was a highly recruited kid that Kansas cheated to get (money was funneled to his family). He was suspended by the NCAA for 2 years, but the suspension was reduced to 1 year on appeal.
https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article225428685.html
But he has been a bust at Kansas now that he's playing again. He plays mostly in garbage time and has averaged only about 3 points per game in his career.
Stats- https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/4292484/silvio-de-sousa

Suspending him or even dismissing him probably wouldn't hurt Kansas.
 
egib52 said:
De Sousa should be done for the season, and at KU, if the NCAA doesn't levy a season long suspension then Self should. He's already had a season long suspension so KU should just cut ties.

https://www.si.com/college/2019/09/...iolations-recruiting-adidas-fbi-investigation
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Paying off players, Coach thumbing his nose at the NCAA, and now an out of control team. I don't know what more you need than to give them the death penalty for 2 or 3 years, fire Bill Self. Also throw in getting rid of the University President. You cant tell me he does not know what Self is doing.Get rid of the BUM. They did at Penn State
 
bradleyfan124 said:
Paying off players, Coach thumbing his nose at the NCAA, and now an out of control team. I don't know what more you need than to give them the death penalty for 2 or 3 years, fire Bill Self. Also throw in getting rid of the University President. You cant tell me he does not know what Self is doing.Get rid of the BUM. They did at Penn State
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You have to be a mid-major or lower.
 
Who is # 33? It looks like he is trying to stomp on somebody on the ground. Ok so can someone help me with this. I think most of the team got ejected for leaving the bench. Isn't there a rule if you leave the bench you are not allowed to play the next game? If so they have a TV game coming up on National TV
 
bradleyfan124 said:
Who is # 33? It looks like he is trying to stomp on somebody on the ground. Ok so can someone help me with this. I think most of the team got ejected for leaving the bench. Isn't there a rule if you leave the bench you are not allowed to play the next game? If so they have a TV game coming up on National TV
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#33 is 6'10" sophomore forward David McCormack, who is a starter for Kansas. He and a couple other Kansas players go after the Kansas State player in street clothes (James Love) who confronted De Sousa under the basket and got pushed back against that short wall in the end-zone.

The suspension of Da Sousa by Bill Self is an obvious attempt at "damage control" by Self. But I expect the Big 12 Conference will issue a bunch more suspensions and other disciplinary rulings. The NCAA requires a 1 game suspension for any player that left the bench while an altercation was going on. And it could be as many as 4 games suspension if it was determined that a bench player left the bench and participated in the fight, which it appeared some did.
 
The Big 12 Conference has issues a suspension to Kansas player Silvio De Sousa #22 in the white uniform in the videos above)for 12 games.
the Jayhawks' David McCormack (#33 in white) received a two-game ban. For Kansas State, James Love (bench player in the black shirt and street clothes) will miss eight games, and Antonio Gordon (#11 in purple) will miss three.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-b...an-big-12-suspends-four-brawl-vs-kansas-state

In addition to the four player suspensions, both programs were reprimanded by the Big 12 for players' leaving the bench area during the incident, which violates the conference's sportsmanship policy.

IMO, the teams got off easy. None of the players who left the bench for both teams were suspended, even though there is an NCAA rule that requires a 1-game suspension for leaving the bench when a fight occurs. Plus, there appeared to be others on both teams who were actually involved in the fight beyond the 2 players on each team who received suspensions.
 
DC I totally agree this was way too easy. If this was Murray State and Belmont they would make a statement by making both teams play shorthanded multiple games. De Sousa should be gone for the season, and Love probably should have gotten half a season. The biggest issue is that the Big 12 ignored the bench rule. This is the exact reason the rule was put into to place to prevent fights like that. Hopefully (but doubtful), the NCAA steps in.
 
It is just a little suspicious that they gave Kansas player Silvio De Sousa a 12-game suspension, instead of suspending him for the remainder of the season.
That ensures that he will return for their last regular-season game (Kansas has 13 games left before the Big 12 Tournament) and for the Big 12 Tournament, and all post-season games. He is not really that important of a player to Kansas, except that he provides depth, which isn't needed much until the postseason.
 
What a punk! Can you imagine if that happened at a mid major like Bradley? I agree with Da Coach also. Self trying to save face by suspending him and taking the spotlight off himself!
 
Da Coach said:
In addition to the four player suspensions, both programs were reprimanded by the Big 12 for players' leaving the bench area during the incident, which violates the conference's sportsmanship policy.

IMO, the teams got off easy. None of the players who left the bench for both teams were suspended, even though there is an NCAA rule that requires a 1-game suspension for leaving the bench when a fight occurs. Plus, there appeared to be others on both teams who were actually involved in the fight beyond the 2 players on each team who received suspensions.
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What does it mean "both teams were reprimanded by the Big 12..."? Have there been any explanations on why the players that left their benches were not suspended for at least one game? If Kansas or Kansas State would not have had enough players to play in their next game so be it. My guess is TV dollars influenced the decisions.
I would hope that if Bradley players were involved in an off the court brawl like this Coach Wardle to suspend the players himself, even if the team had to forfeit the game(s).
 
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