Jeremy Robinson commits to ISU

[BostonBird]

Robinson underwent surgery but will begin rehab soon and not play competetively at least until November, thus he didn't play any ball this summer...and the uncertainty of the future caused all the big offers to drop off.

I think your info here is a little outdated as here:

http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2007/07/19/sports/doc469ed9ab35ae0458220983.txt

it says "Robinson, who was being recruited by Moser at ISU last season and made an unofficial visit, tore his ACL this spring and underwent surgery in May. He has not played with Eisenhower in the summer leagues, but Moore said Robinson was fully released by doctors last week.
???‚¬?“Last Monday in open gym he looked good,???‚¬?? said Moore.

Full and Near full recoveries from ACL surgery are rare,

This is definitely outdated. ACL surgeries are far more common these days and are rarely (<2%) career ending for althetes.

Anywho, its never a good thing to tear an ACL so I hope he's doing well.

[tornado]

I have a few friends in the medical profession, BB, and I stand by my statement.

Jeremy may have a release from his medical doctor, but that doesn't mean he is released to play basketball.
If that's what you think is meant by the statement in the Pantagraph, then you are being very hopeful.

Not sure what you mean by "common" but there are virtually NO players you can name playing well
at the TOP level of basketball who have made it back from an ACL.
Guys like Brandon Rush and Bill Walker have a long road ahead of them, as does Jeremy.
The typical rehab process takes 6 month to over a year...just ask Sam Singh.

If you think I am so outdated, then give me a short list of top college players or NBA players
who have made it back 100% from an ACL surgery....
There are actually NONE.
Some have come back and been good players, NONE have ever come back and been great or all-star caliber players.

Here is an article as current as can possibly be about ACL's, it's from about a month ago...

It highlights that it is possible to "come back from this injury close to 100 percent",
but not 100%, and the timetable is a minimum of 6 months.

http://blogs.cjonline.com/index.php?entry=3691

(written by a very well known Orthopedic Surgeon, not a message board poster)

[Braves4Life]

These are the type of players The Valley needs to get. Even though I can't stand ISU , I'm happy for them as this can only help The Valley, our rivalry with ISU, and, in turn, will help us get better recruits.

Who knows, maybe Shumpert will see some of these high caliber recruits that WSU, CU, and now ISU are getting and this will help in his decision to come to BU

[cpacmel]

Jeremy may have a release from his medical doctor, but that doesn't mean he is released to play basketball.
If that's what you think is meant by the statement in the Pantagraph, then you are being very hopeful.

Tornado, what do you make of this statement:

Moore said Robinson was fully released by doctors last week.
???‚¬?“Last Monday in open gym he looked good,???‚¬?? said Moore.

What do you think goes on at open gyms? Last time I checked, it was alot of basketball things. (shooting, pick up games, etc.)

[cpacmel]

Here's Benson blog on the verbal:

http://www.pantagraph.com/blogs/main/?p=1946

Bradley mention here:

Schools like Bradley have been working on Robinson a lot longer than the Jankovich staff at ISU, but Robinson trusted what Jankovich is selling.

[BostonBird]

I have a few friends in the medical profession, BB, and I stand by my statement.

Jeremy may have a release from his medical doctor, but that doesn't mean he is released to play basketball.
If that's what you think is meant by the statement in the Pantagraph, then you are being very hopeful.

The next line quotes his coach as saying he looked good during open gym. 2 months after surgery is a little fishy though so either it wasn't a full tear or there is something else going on.

Not sure what you mean by "common" but there are virtually NO players you can name playing well
at the TOP level of basketball who have made it back from an ACL.
Guys like Brandon Rush and Bill Walker have a long road ahead of them, as does Jeremy.

I thought for sure i'd be able to get you on this one. You are correct though, there are virtually no TOP level basketball guys who have made it back (Nene hardly counts as TOP). However, your statement is a little skewed because I am also having a hard time finding any TOP guys who TORE their ACL...therefore there obviously won't be any who've made it back.
I guess I was thinking football (NFL and NCAA) where ACL tears are pretty commonplace these days. And there are plenty of All-Pro players who have recovered from the surgery to perform again at All-Pro levels. While the sports are different, I firmly believe that if you can recover enough athleticism to play at an All-Pro level in the NFL, you can recover enough to play at an All-Star or TOP level in NBA, NCAA basketball.

The typical rehab process takes 6 month to over a year...just ask Sam Singh.

I agree. And the player doesn't usually get their full athleticism back until the second year. Which would be his first at ISU.

If you think I am so outdated, then give me a short list of top college players or NBA players
who have made it back 100% from an ACL surgery....
There are actually NONE.
Some have come back and been good players, NONE have ever come back and been great or all-star caliber players.

Does the bold mean you're yelling at me? Its kind of silly. And you're repeating yourself. I've addressed above.

Here is an article as current as can possibly be about ACL's, it's from about a month ago...

It highlights that it is possible to "come back from this injury close to 100 percent",
but not 100%, and the timetable is a minimum of 6 months.

http://blogs.cjonline.com/index.php?entry=3691

(written by a very well known Orthopedic Surgeon, not a message board poster)

I refrained from posting links to medical articles in my last post because you can find one from just about anyone saying just about whatever you want. But if you want, I can find something that refutes yours. (written on a very well known Medical Site, not an internet blog)

Bottom line here is that I don't think we're arguing about much.

[Beninator]

Sounds like a nice get for ISU albeit with some risk. I am by no means a medical expert, but I would suspect that the major issue here would be the risk re-injury to the acl. (as is the case
with most sports related injuries)

Best of luck to this kid and hope this reignites the war on 74.

[shaunguth]

Yes....this definitely sounds like a high risk-high reward situation. I would be nervously optimistic if BU had gotten the commitment. Good luck to Jeremy.

[mike radigan]

...but Robinson trusted what Jankovich is selling.

And that would be? j/k, Mel!

[cpacmel]

...but Robinson trusted what Jankovich is selling.

And that would be? j/k, Mel!

LOL Mike Radigan.

Playing time of course.

[DannyCooksey]

...but Robinson trusted what Jankovich is selling.

And that would be? j/k, Mel!

LOL Mike Radigan.

Playing time of course.

yes indeed. The last Redbird player from Decatur was pretty decent .......so maybe we have some good karma there.

[tornado]

Jeremy may have a release from his medical doctor, but that doesn't mean he is released to play basketball.
If that's what you think is meant by the statement in the Pantagraph, then you are being very hopeful.

Tornado, what do you make of this statement:

Moore said Robinson was fully released by doctors last week.
???‚¬?“Last Monday in open gym he looked good,???‚¬?? said Moore.

What do you think goes on at open gyms? Last time I checked, it was alot of basketball things. (shooting, pick up games, etc.)

mel--
I have been at open gyms, but I sure don't play basketball, even when I am looking pretty good!

If he is playing basketball at open gyms, then if I were you I'd be pretty danged worried...given it's only 2 months since ACL surgery.
He might have been standing and shooting, but let's pick up on this again once you actually find anyone who sees him playing ball against live opponents.


And Boston, the first post you made seems to be labelling me as outdated and wrong, then your next post says you're agreeing with me.

Either way....I said quite plainly I think Jeremy Robinson is a good player, and a good get for ISU, but if someone says he's already working out, closing in on 100% recovery, and playing well in open gyms, then I have some land in Florida to sell you.
The kid is not likely to be playing ball competetively against opponents for several more months, and his future is still not certain.
His own coach says:
"he???‚¬?„?s a work in progress"
and
"Jankovich will see the finished product in two or three years"

Robinson himself also said he needs to "get my knee ready for college"

http://www.freewebs.com/chipatsj23h/jrobcommits.htm

and has been "out of action during the July evaluation period"

http://www.ilprepbullseye.com/page34.html

[cpacmel]

And that is why high school coaches don't say things like "tornado looked good last Monday at open gym".

I am sure he was doing more than you do at open gyms, why would his coach say he looked good if he was just sitting around? He obviously was doing something good for his coach to make that comment.

[tornado]

If I see a guy who is 2 months post ACL surgery, and if the guy is walking without a cane and able to get up out of a chair, then I tell him he's "looking good".
If you wish to think he was out on the floor playing full contact basketball, then fine, but I don't believe it and I have a little medical background to feel comfortable saying that.


Find me even ONE example of a kid with ACL surgery who was playing basketball in 2 months.
Take your time, talk to a couple ortho specialists, then get back to me.
It is simply a physical impossibility.

[cpacmel]

His own coach says:
"he???‚¬?„?s a work in progress"
and
"Jankovich will see the finished product in two or three years"

Sounds like a guy with a very high ceiling.

Should we say that Robinson is the first recruit that has potential to get better in time?