Players Backing Out Controversy

[scout4126]

I just wanted to bring something to everyone's attention.

A lot of people are very upset with players when they backout of their commitment. To use a situation close to here, Justin Dentman and Dodie Dunson both backed out of the NLI signing. This upset tons of people and raised judgements about these two players' character though people didn't even know them personally. ISU fans began giving them bad reputations.

What about the coaches that leave? How about the coaches that say they have no intent of leaving then go off without second guessing? Billy Donovan did it though it was to the NBA. Greg Marshall did it from Winthrop to Wichita State. Both said that they were 100% sure they were going to stay at their respective schools but then left. There are many other cases as well, these are just two recent ones. How come no one raises judgements about their character or tries to spoil their reputation?

Coaches talk all the time about players leaving being unfair and selfish but never mention anything about it when they leave schools for higher paying coaching jobs.

I think it is very unjust.

[Da Coach]

The rules have been in place for many decades. They have been in place well before coaches made significant money. In fact, when the NCAA rule about a player having to sit out a year was written, coaches were among the lowest paid employees of universities, with had no job security, unlike the tenured professors. The LOI rules are a little more recent.

There have to be some kind of rules like these. If there was no penalty for transferring, there would be thousands of transfers a year. Kids would transfer every time they got yelled at or got benched by their coach. So I can't see the NCAA ever lifting this rule. The kids also know that when they sign a LOI it is with the school and not the coach. I know it doesn't seem fair sometimes, but the alternatives would be a nightmare and would be bad for all schools.

The one rule I would agree should be changed is when a kid has already redshirted a year, he should be allowed to transfer at least 1 time without losing a full year of eligibility.

[tornado]

oooohh...the poor college basketball stars are under so much oppression!
We need an amendment to the Constitution to preserve their rights to bolt to the highest bidder any time they want.
Sorry, I just can't get too worked up about this one.

[scout4126]

A lot of you people neglect to see how much pressure the athletes are actually under. Some of you are too ignorant to realize that the decision they make IS the biggest decision of their lives and they should have the right to change it if they like.

[dogsrus]

[quote="scout4126"] Some of you are too ignorant


Thats a good way to kill a nice thread......differing opinions do not equal "ignorance".

[Da Coach]

A lot of you people neglect to see how much pressure the athletes are actually under. Some of you are too ignorant to realize that the decision they make IS the biggest decision of their lives and they should have the right to change it if they like.

I guess the entire NCAA and all of their divisions and member schools are equally "ignorant" since they all adhere to the same rule. You just won't find any sympathy for a change with the LOI and transfer rules, since it's the schools themselves who vote on these rules, and they all want it this way.
Nobody is holding a gun to the kids' heads and making them sign the LOI and take tens of thousands of dollars of scholarships and costs from the colleges.

[Dallas Brave]

Re: Players Backing Out Controversy

I just wanted to bring something to everyone's attention.

A lot of people are very upset with players when they backout of their commitment. To use a situation close to here, Justin Dentman and Dodie Dunson both backed out of the NLI signing. This upset tons of people and raised judgements about these two players' character though people didn't even know them personally. ISU fans began giving them bad reputations.

What about the coaches that leave? How about the coaches that say they have no intent of leaving then go off without second guessing? Billy Donovan did it though it was to the NBA. Greg Marshall did it from Winthrop to Wichita State. Both said that they were 100% sure they were going to stay at their respective schools but then left. There are many other cases as well, these are just two recent ones. How come no one raises judgements about their character or tries to spoil their reputation?

Coaches talk all the time about players leaving being unfair and selfish but never mention anything about it when they leave schools for higher paying coaching jobs.

I think it is very unjust.

Players are not coaches (even though some players want to run the team). You will not have the same set of rules apply to two very differnt situations - i.e., the coaches are earning their livlihood and the players are earning an education. After a plyer graduates from college, he or she can do whatever they want in terms of changing jobs - provided someone is willing to hire them.

[MacabreMob]

Some of you are too ignorant.....

Hey - hey - hey...

No one's a bigger iddy-ot than me. So please, a little respect. For I am Costanza: Lord of the Idiots!

[tornado]

A lot of you people neglect to see how much pressure the athletes are actually under. Some of you are too ignorant to realize that the decision they make IS the biggest decision of their lives and they should have the right to change it if they like.

Of course they should be able to change their minds, and there is NO rule against it, but they have to sit out a year if they transfer.

....remember, they sign an agrement to get the scholarship, so they are bound to live up to their end of the agreement, it IS a contract.

But you are asking that suddenly, even though they agree to the terms of an NCAA D-I scholarship, that they should be let out of their end of the bargain.
Nope...they are equally expected to honor their end, just as the schools are.

[TRIMAN]

A lot of you people neglect to see how much pressure the athletes are actually under. Some of you are too ignorant to realize that the decision they make IS the biggest decision of their lives and they should have the right to change it if they like.

I guess the entire NCAA and all of their divisions and member schools are equally "ignorant" since they all adhere to the same rule. You just won't find any sympathy for a change with the LOI and transfer rules, since it's the schools themselves who vote on these rules, and they all want it this way.
Nobody is holding a gun to the kids' heads and making them sign the LOI and take tens of thousands of dollars of scholarships and costs from the colleges.

The schools and the NCAA are making a ton of money off these kids. I wish that it could be changed so that a player could transfer one time if a head coach changed schools. I doubt it will happen, but it would be nice for the kids. Look at how much good college coaches get paid and how much money is made off of the kids. They do get to go to college for free, but everyone is getting paid but the players. I wish it could be changed, but there's not an easy solution.

[Braves4Life]

Some of you are too ignorant.....

Hey - hey - hey...

No one's a bigger iddy-ot than me. So please, a little respect. For I am Costanza: Lord of the Idiots!

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...........................my favorite show. It's a Festivus Miracle

[scout4126]

The schools and the NCAA are making a ton of money off these kids. I wish that it could be changed so that a player could transfer one time if a head coach changed schools. I doubt it will happen, but it would be nice for the kids. Look at how much good college coaches get paid and how much money is made off of the kids. They do get to go to college for free, but everyone is getting paid but the players. I wish it could be changed, but there's not an easy solution.

Exactly. The big thing for me is. If there is a coaching change, why can't the kids transfer without being penalized?

[MacabreMob]

The schools and the NCAA are making a ton of money off these kids. I wish that it could be changed so that a player could transfer one time if a head coach changed schools. I doubt it will happen, but it would be nice for the kids. Look at how much good college coaches get paid and how much money is made off of the kids. They do get to go to college for free, but everyone is getting paid but the players. I wish it could be changed, but there's not an easy solution.

Exactly. The big thing for me is. If there is a coaching change, why can't the kids transfer without being penalized?

How about this.... kids can transfer to a Non-BCS school without penalty. (there will only be a penalty for kids transferring to BCS schools)

[tornado]

The one year sit-out rule that the NCAA has on D-I transfers, isn't really meant to penalize the kids.....nor is it meant to prevent the kids from going wherever they want to go.
Of course the kids CAN do just that but they do have to sit out one year.
If the one year rule was not in effect, then schools would go shopping and lure the best players on losing teams to help bolster their stretch runs, and grabbing for players could get rampant.
Geez....it already does happen but it's limited by the penalty so that only a few kids like Jeremy Fears, Danny Granger & Marcus Arnold who want to try to better their lot do it given the one year penalty.
so-- the one year rule is meant to prevent BCS schools from raiding the best players off the rosters of smaller/lesser schools.

But if we did away with the rule, every talented kid on a team that's 5-20 would suddenly be fielding phone calls from scum like Kelvin Sampson trying to get onto a winning team.

Nope...if you do away with the one year rule in D-I you'd have chaos, and the very fact that you seem to never have considered it makes me wonder.
The teams that would have the most to lose would be the Bradley's and the ISU's.