Glass house...

[dogsrus]

I see where SOME ISU fans are having fun with BU's "revolving door" as one poster put it. I'm NOT knocking ISU fans. I don't blame them for getting some shots in on us but I WILL offer a counterpoint on our board and maybe a few "trolls" (not a demeaning term) from ISU will report back to em

While BU has had quite an eventful couple of weeks there is ONE huge difference between what has transpired at BU and almost EVERY program in the nation and what happened at ISU under PoMo.

BU and JL had a GREAT backup plan. PERIOD. While a couple of their posters did indeed point this out most are saying we are just "plugging holes" with recruits we at one time backed off on or didn't want at all.

I disagree. BU kept recruiting...HARD. In MY opinion JL has simply done an amazing job. Granted I didn't like losing Fears or DW but what program doesn't lose players and what program likes it.

While ISU suffered through transfers, non qualifiers, etc. and were hurt tremendously by it under PoMo (and will feel the effects for awhile) it APPEARS JL has kept BU from losing ground we have allready made when those same circumastances hit home.

Again the proof will be in the pudding next year as only the results on the court will tell IF indeed JL has worked some magic under trying but common times.

The key that everyone is pointing to is "meshing".....I think we have seen, since the end of 2 years ago leading up to the sweet 16 run that JL has developed an ability to sell roles to players and it continued in an amazing season last year.

[real fan]

Losing Fears who was probably going to be more trouble then he was worth helped get us a player that really wants to play for B.U. so I think it was a blessing as he was not a team player; I think the staff has known about Williams grade problems for a few months and replaced him with another good player; I am very satisfied and believe these incoming players are as good if not better then the ones that will not be here and will make for a better team as there won"t be the distractions with them.

[dogsrus]

Losing Fears who was probably going to be more trouble then he was worth helped get us a player that really wants to play for B.U. so I think it was a blessing as he was not a team player; I think the staff has known about Williams grade problems for a few months and replaced him with another good player; I am very satisfied and believe these incoming players are as good if not better then the ones that will not be here and will make for a better team as there won"t be the distractions with them.

Actually I think the "blessing" would have been IF Mr. Fears would have indeed been a team player. Another "blessing" is we have a savy coach who didn't stand pat and hoped for the best but prepared for the worst.

[tornado]

Not sure you can call it a "revolving door" when the only two players that they considered as leaving recently, actually DID NOT leave, they never got here at all.

Nope, there is no comparison........players up and leave all the time from other schools, and certainly ISU has had their share from Sams, to Lorenzo Gordon, to Eric Vianney, to Khalif Ford, to Mark Kruse, etc.....

Heck...they even sign coaches that stay a mere four years then are gone, and assistants that sign contracts - then stay a fleeting 10 days and bolt for greener pastures !!

http://www.bradleyfans.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=7130

Heck if you want to count the kids who never got there, then throw in Dunson, Dentmon, and few more! ...and now there is a strong rumor that Bobby Hill, their super-highly touted recruit from last year is going to leave and join Porter Moser at St. Louis!
If you want to see the epitome of a revolving door, look about 30 miles to the east.

[dogsrus]

Not sure you can call it a "revolving door" when the only two players that they considered as leaving recently, actually DID NOT leave, they never got here at all.

Nope, there is no comparison........players up and leave all the time from other schools, and certainly ISU has had their share from Sams, to Lorenzo Gordon, to Eric Vianney, to Khalif Ford, to Mark Kruse, etc.....

Heck...they even sign coaches that stay a mere four years then are gone, and assistants that sign contracts - then stay a fleeting 10 days and bolt for greener pastures !!

http://www.bradleyfans.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=7130

Heck if you want to count the kids who never got there, then throw in Dunson, Dentmon, and few more! ...and now there is a strong rumor that Bobby Hill, their super-highly touted recruit from last year is going to leave and join Porter Moser at St. Louis!
If you want to see the epitome of a revolving door, look about 30 miles to the east.

Yeah..like I stated it happens almsot everywhere but how many "recover" as nicley as WE appeared to?

[Da Coach]

Bradley never lost DeAaron Williams, because he was never here to begin with. Bradley never wasted 1 second of scholarship time because DW was never under scholarship at BU.
If some want to consider Fears as a loss, OK, I'll accept that. But he also never played a minute for Bradley, so it's not like losing someone who had become a key part of the team.
Saihou Jassey is actually the only rostered player Bradley has lost, and he was an insignificant part of the team.
So I couldn't agree more with the logic, dogs. These kinds of turnovers happen all the time at every school. And let the fans on the other boards gloat if it makes them feel better (I have seen such gloating on several other boards, not just ISU). But Jim indeed had backups in place and had filled those slots with players who will help Bradley just as much as the kids they "lost". We'll see who's gloating next season.

[OrangeandBlack74]

I think the "revolving door" comment was actually made by an SIU fan on the other local board, rather than an ISU fan.

I think on paper we have a very good recruiting class.....but over 1/2 of the team will be new faces, and several of them are JC transfers. I have confidence that the momentum of the past two years will not be lost, but I expect a few bumps in the road (especially early in the season) as the new players adjust to the rigors of D1 basketball and become acclimated to each other.

[REALBird]

[quote="OrangeandBlack74"]I think the "revolving door" comment was actually made by an SIU fan on the other local board, rather than an ISU fan.
quote]

O&B, you are indeed correct Gator Coach made the comment about the "revolving door" on another board. As far as "trolls" on the ISU board go.....I believe most ISU posters who post on RBF.com, PJStar.com, and this board post using the same names (myself included). I made an observation, and from my perspective I simply believe chemistry will be an issue. Wichita thought they had "restocked", but in the end Turgeon was quoted as saying it was egos that ruined the success of their team. I do believe Creighton also had one of the highest if not THE highest rated Juco player in the nation last season, and he lasted what? maybe a semester into the season?

If JL can get everyone to play nice, then I'd say it was a heckva recruiting class and he'll deserve all the credit due. But getting the class to sign is just step 1. Getting them to buy into their roles and buy into the same philosophy Bennett, Franklin, Wright, and many of the other Jucos have in the past few years will be most telling about this year. Adding 7 new players, 4 of which only have 2 years left means that EVERYONE including those returning players Brown, Andrews, Salley & company will expect to get minutes. I can't imagine there won't be some defections or chemistry issues by mid-season. It happened at ISU, WSU, CU and it can certainly happen at BU.

For the record....I tend to keep my posts on RBF.com or PJStar. I don't post a lot anymore, but I'm far from a troll. I've posted here before, and will do so as long as I'm not banned. I've seen posts related to whether this team will gel on other boards, so apparently it seems that when an ISU fan raises the same question, it offends?

FWIW, I'm not overly excited about SIU's recruits either. Faulker, Mullins and Shaw are all solid, but in the past 2-3 years no other SIU recruit has just scared the bejeezus out of me to think that they're recruiting players head and shoulders above BU, or anyone else in the Valley. I think IF BU gels quickly with all the new faces, the SIU reign ends this year.
No other team has the size, athleticism, and backcourt experience as BU with Ruffin & Crouch (best backcourt in the Valley). If not, it could be a long season.

BTW, I thought trolls only posted the negative, or just lurked and took information back to their own board? Do you post on RBF.com dogs? Or were you just "trolling" looking for something negative about BU to fan the flames of the rivalry?

[cpacmel]

Re: Glass house...

I see where SOME ISU fans are having fun with BU's "revolving door" as one poster put it.

http://www.pjstarforums.com/sports/viewtopic.php?t=55148

Revolving door at BU

And if you even thought that Gator Coach might be an ISU fan, look at his signature: "Southern Illinois University Basketball - MVC Champs 2002,2003,2004,2005,2007. Sweet Sixteen 2002,2007. 6 Straight NCAA tourney bids."

Dogs, once again your short on facts. But I guess when something like this comes up, it's good to go after your arch enemy, even if it isn't warranted. [/i]

[vbird]

Heck if you want to count the kids who never got there, then throw in Dunson, Dentmon, and few more! ...and now there is a strong rumor that Bobby Hill, their super-highly touted recruit from last year is going to leave and join Porter Moser at St. Louis!
If you want to see the epitome of a revolving door, look about 30 miles to the east.

Are you getting this from the Billiken message board, or someplace else?

[dogsrus]

[quote="REALBird"]

I think the "revolving door" comment was actually made by an SIU fan on the other local board, rather than an ISU fan.
quote]

O&B, you are indeed correct Gator Coach made the comment about the "revolving door" on another board. As far as "trolls" on the ISU board go.....I believe most ISU posters who post on RBF.com, PJStar.com, and this board post using the same names (myself included). I made an observation, and from my perspective I simply believe chemistry will be an issue. Wichita thought they had "restocked", but in the end Turgeon was quoted as saying it was egos that ruined the success of their team. I do believe Creighton also had one of the highest if not THE highest rated Juco player in the nation last season, and he lasted what? maybe a semester into the season?

If JL can get everyone to play nice, then I'd say it was a heckva recruiting class and he'll deserve all the credit due. But getting the class to sign is just step 1. Getting them to buy into their roles and buy into the same philosophy Bennett, Franklin, Wright, and many of the other Jucos have in the past few years will be most telling about this year. Adding 7 new players, 4 of which only have 2 years left means that EVERYONE including those returning players Brown, Andrews, Salley & company will expect to get minutes. I can't imagine there won't be some defections or chemistry issues by mid-season. It happened at ISU, WSU, CU and it can certainly happen at BU.

For the record....I tend to keep my posts on RBF.com or PJStar. I don't post a lot anymore, but I'm far from a troll. I've posted here before, and will do so as long as I'm not banned. I've seen posts related to whether this team will gel on other boards, so apparently it seems that when an ISU fan raises the same question, it offends?

FWIW, I'm not overly excited about SIU's recruits either. Faulker, Mullins and Shaw are all solid, but in the past 2-3 years no other SIU recruit has just scared the bejeezus out of me to think that they're recruiting players head and shoulders above BU, or anyone else in the Valley. I think IF BU gels quickly with all the new faces, the SIU reign ends this year.
No other team has the size, athleticism, and backcourt experience as BU with Ruffin & Crouch (best backcourt in the Valley). If not, it could be a long season.

BTW, I thought trolls only posted the negative, or just lurked and took information back to their own board? Do you post on RBF.com dogs? Or were you just "trolling" looking for something negative about BU to fan the flames of the rivalry?

RBird..thanks for responding. First Troll, to me, is NOT a bad term. I mearly use it to desribe people who "troll" as in fishing but for info on message boards, not fish . Yes I troll alot on other boards...IOW, I'm a troll

Second....read my post. I wasn't upset or being critical towards ISU fans. I was mearly pointing out that some of what was being said and offering the opposing view.

I never heard the revolving door comment until I visited redbird board. IF GC said it first I missed it but it was used in the Fears leaves BU thread and thats where I heard it first.

You make some good points about JL meshing all the new guys. Thats something BU fans have discussed since we have gotten all these new guys. MANY believe even though we have alot of newbies the precence of holdovers Ruffin, Salley, Crouch, Warren and Brown will help assimilate the new guys.

The freshman will most likely understand their time will come and some redshirts are possible leaving 4 jucos to join the 4 holdovers and Brown. Thats NINE players that "need" minutes. With injuries and our style of play its going to allow JL time to rest the stars for late in the game. No more 38 minutes for Ruffin/Crouch.

BUT....the point was not about time and meshing. It was how well JL "rebounded" from the same thing almost EVERY program suffers through and I was using ISU as an example since they brought it up. PoMo suffered through the "revolving door" syndrome and IMO didn't have a good backup plan. THAT was my point and why I credit JL for not resting on his intial laurels (recruits). He KNEW trouble could surface and he kept recruting hard. And he isn't just getting warm bodies to plug gaps...he got good players.

Again...thanks for responding. I appreciate your views.

[dogsrus]

Re: Glass house...

I see where SOME ISU fans are having fun with BU's "revolving door" as one poster put it.

http://www.pjstarforums.com/sports/viewtopic.php?t=55148

Revolving door at BU

And if you even thought that Gator Coach might be an ISU fan, look at his signature: "Southern Illinois University Basketball - MVC Champs 2002,2003,2004,2005,2007. Sweet Sixteen 2002,2007. 6 Straight NCAA tourney bids."

Dogs, once again your short on facts. But I guess when something like this comes up, it's good to go after your arch enemy, even if it isn't warranted. [/i]

My bad...I thought I heard the term on the other board. And how amm I going after my arch enemy when I'm just responding to what is being said? You want us to believe the "where is Sam post" and "why isn't Austin rated" was in good faith yet you call ME out.

[MacabreMob]

Heck if you want to count the kids who never got there, then throw in Dunson, Dentmon, and few more! ...and now there is a strong rumor that Bobby Hill, their super-highly touted recruit from last year is going to leave and join Porter Moser at St. Louis!
If you want to see the epitome of a revolving door, look about 30 miles to the east.

Are you getting this from the Billiken message board, or someplace else?

I heard something about Hill just after the MVC Tourney. I was told some people didn't think Hill was gonna be back the following year (even before the end of the season and before Porter was fired) and that Porter was playing Hill some down the stretch showing Porter seemed desperate to win instead of investing playing time with players he knew were gonna be back the following season.