2008 recruits

[wingrider81]

Three Year JuCos

I remember Dick Versace getting some key recruits that I thought
were JuCo players with three years eligibility left.
Donald Reese and David Thirdkill come to mind as guys not
quite freshmen and yet not quite two year jucos . I like the
idea of a guy with his feet wet but still three years of Div 1
PT in front of him.
1) Is this still legal under NCAA rules?
2) Is this ocurring out there on a regular basis?
3) Has the plethora of Prep schools effected this?
Inquiring minds.......... Wing 1981

[romar]

Re: Three Year JuCos

I remember Dick Versace getting some key recruits that I thought
were JuCo players with three years eligibility left.
Donald Reese and David Thirdkill come to mind as guys not
quite freshmen and yet not quite two year jucos . I like the
idea of a guy with his feet wet but still three years of Div 1
PT in front of him.
1) Is this still legal under NCAA rules?
2) Is this ocurring out there on a regular basis?
3) Has the plethora of Prep schools effected this?
Inquiring minds.......... Wing 1981

I think that went by the wayside with Prop48. You are correct instead of JUCO kids are going the prep school route now. The good part is they still have 4 instead of 3 years after they return. Bad part is most of the people surrounding these prep academies are BCS pimps (can I say that? - we'll see).

[tornado]

Re: Three Year JuCos

I remember Dick Versace getting some key recruits that I thought
were JuCo players with three years eligibility left.
Donald Reese and David Thirdkill come to mind as guys not
quite freshmen and yet not quite two year jucos . I like the
idea of a guy with his feet wet but still three years of Div 1
PT in front of him.
1) Is this still legal under NCAA rules?
2) Is this ocurring out there on a regular basis?
3) Has the plethora of Prep schools effected this?
Inquiring minds.......... Wing 1981

81...it is just this simple....a guy can transfer to a 4-year school only if he is eligible...

There are two ways to get eligible...
--one is to pass the tests (ACT, et al) and have passing grades out of high school.
--the other is to have a degree from a junior college.

So, if a kid has good grades and IS QUALIFIED out of high school, but just doesn't get recruited, he can go to juco and then transfer to a 4-year school after one year, leaving 3 years of eligibility..... Lance Stemler is this type of recruit.

The other type of juco kid is like Shang Ping who was NOT qualified to go right to 4-year school because he didn't have the qualifications out of high school, but as soon as he gets his degree from ICC he can be eligible for the 4-year school.

A non-qualifier can go to the 4-year school, but (like DRuff or Jermaine Brown) would NOT be eligible and the school may not want to use a scholarship, or like in DRuff's case they might.

[Da Coach]

In the case of Lance Stemler, he redshirted his first season at SWICC, and actually would have had 4 years of eligibility if he had stayed at Bradley.

[thefish7]

If you redshirt at JUCO do you still have redshirt eligibility in Division I?

[romar]

If you redshirt at JUCO do you still have redshirt eligibility in Division I?

I may be wrong on this, but it's my understanding that a graduating HS senior has 5 years to complete 4 full years of eligibility at the college level (be it DI, DII or JUCO). There are rare cases due to a medical or other hardship that the NCAA will allow a 6th year (but that usually only applies to BCS schools - see ISU & Tarise Bryson). I'm sure others may know more and can correct me if this is inaccurate.

[Da Coach]

You are correct. The NCAA counts the redshirt year (whether it's at juco or at a 4-year school) as 1 of the 5 years in which you have to finish your 4 seasons of eligibility. So if a kid sits out another year, he'll lose that year.

The other exceptions the NCAA allows are exemption for years served in the military, and years served in a mission capacity for religious reasons. Mormon kids, who spend 2 years in a mission field, are allowed to resume their college eligibility upon return without counting those years toward the 5 year limit.

[tornado]

romar....Tarise Bryson's case was NOT due to the loss of years from redshirt or transfer...the only reasons the NCAA
will ever allow to grant the 6th year. Tarise missed a year due to academics, so they ruled that he was not
eligible for the 6th year. This IS the right call by the NCAA.
(despite what certain ISU fans say)

[romar]

romar....Tarise Bryson's case was NOT due to the loss of years from redshirt or transfer...the only reasons the NCAA
will ever allow to grant the 6th year. Tarise missed a year due to academics, so they ruled that he was not
eligible for the 6th year. This IS the right call by the NCAA.

Right call... Probably, but if DR got injured in game two this season, I know I would be praying that the NCAA would give him a 6th season to complete his 4 years. In addition, it seems to me that the 6th year is at the NCAA"s discretion and my bet would be more often than not it is granted to kids at BCS type schools over the cursed MM's. Too lazy to do the research though.

[wingrider81]

Hey Coach

The other exceptions the NCAA allows are exemption for years served in the military, and years served in a mission capacity for religious reasons. Mormon kids, who spend 2 years in a mission field, are allowed to resume their college eligibility upon return without counting those years toward the 5 year limit.

Do ya suppose Jeremy Fears might consider BYU?
Once upon a time they did take Jim McMahon.
Wing81