Wade Knapp and Charlie Coley

[shaunguth]

Just posted on the Charlotte Observer website:

Niners add top juco power forward for 2007
JIM UTTER

The Charlotte 49ers men's basketball team has added another top junior college player to its 2007 recruiting class, the Observer has learned.

Charlie Coley, a 6-foot-7, 210-pound power forward for Dodge City (Kan.) Community College, committed to Charlotte following a weekend visit to the 49ers' campus. Coley is expected to sign a national letter of intent as early as today, sources said.

Among the schools Coley had been heavily recruited by were Florida International and Bradley, and NCAA champion Florida had shown late interest.

Coley is ranked the No. 1 power forward in the country by NBAdraft.net and ranked among the top-five overall in the country by jucojunction.com, a recruiting Web site that covers junior college players.

He averaged 11.7 points and 10 rebounds this season and his team finished the year 26-6 and won the Jayhawk Western Conference for the second straight year.

The 49ers have one available scholarship remaining for next season, which they expect to fill in the coming weeks.

Interesting that Florida is listed as having interest and there were reports a couple weeks ago that Kentucky may have had some interest, yet CC still chooses Charlotte. I obviously don't know just how much interest those two high-majors had, but I really thought he'd end up with one of those two.

[ChevEE]

Link to Charlotte Observer Article concerning CC

[OrangeandBlack74]

Oh, well.....time to move on.

BU nation is getting impatient for some good news on the recruiting front!

[tornado]

As I have said numerous times, we cannot fret over kids who do not want to play here.
I have great admiration for the coaching staff and the players themselves such as Sam Maniscalco, Anthony Thompson, Will Egolf, Cole-Scott, etc...who want to come to BU, and who have committed and NEVER wavered.
This is the kind of player who will benefit us far more than additional Jeremy Fears-type players.

Bradley has at least 15 of its ex-players still playing basketball professionally at various levels.
Three are presently in the NBA -- two of them on teams in the playoffs, two more presently playing world-wide with the Globetrotters, and a total of over 20 in our history have been NBA players, many for long and excellent careers.
Even quite a few of our ex-players and coaches have also coached at the highest levels (D-I and NBA).

Charlotte does have a nice history, but..........
They only have a few of their ex-players in pro ball at any level, they have NONE of their ex-guys in the NBA, and only eight of their ex-players have ever played in the NBA, and only two have ever stayed in the NBA for more than a year.
The only one most people have ever heard of was Cedric Maxwell, who retired almost twenty years ago.

Only time will tell, but I think Coley judged poorly.

[Da Coach]

Just posted on the Charlotte Observer website:

Niners add top juco power forward for 2007
JIM UTTER

The Charlotte 49ers men's basketball team has added another top junior college player to its 2007 recruiting class, the Observer has learned.

Charlie Coley, a 6-foot-7, 210-pound power forward for Dodge City (Kan.) Community College, committed to Charlotte following a weekend visit to the 49ers' campus. Coley is expected to sign a national letter of intent as early as today, sources said.

Among the schools Coley had been heavily recruited by were Florida International and Bradley, and NCAA champion Florida had shown late interest.

Coley is ranked the No. 1 power forward by NBAdraft.net and ranked among the top-five overall in the country by jucojunction.com, a recruiting Web site that covers junior college players.

He averaged 11.7 points and 10 rebounds this season and his team finished the year 26-6 and won the Jayhawk Western Conference for the second straight year.

The 49ers have one available scholarship remaining for next season, which they expect to fill in the coming weeks.

Funny that the writer lists Charlie Coley as a power forward. He must have gotten that from that NBADraft.net article (link below). The NBADraft.net is notorious for inaccuracies in evaluating peripheral college and juco players. He is not a power forward, he plays a wing forward position, and nearly every other article written about hin reports that. His teammate, Wade Knapp played the PF position for Dodge City CC and is also on the list. The NBADraft.net article also does not say he is the "No. 1 power forward in the country" as the Jim Utter article says. They list him #1 just among junior college power forwards, but again, he is not a PF.
Note, this article was written Nov. 10, 2006--

http://nbadraft.net/maurer005.asp

Also, where did those 11.7 and 10 averages come from? Here is the NJCAA stats page, and as we have posted here before, Coley averaged 12.7 ppg and 8.7 rpg.

http://njcaa.org/schmain.cfm?sid=4&divid=1&gender=m&slid=2&menu=11&cid=1327&seasonselect=347&schmenu=4&teamid=53398

By the way, here are the NBA players who have come from--
UNC-Charlotte--

http://basketball-reference.com/colleges/charlotte.html

and Bradley--

http://basketball-reference.com/colleges/bradley.html

[tornado]

Comparison of players who have not only had a cup of coffee in the NBA but who
have actually played in more than 50 games in the NBA or are still active and playing.

Charlotte-- Only two such players:
Cedric Maxwell, 1978-1988, 835 games, 10,465 points
Rodney White, 2002-2005, 218 games, 1540 points

Bradley-- fifteen such players:
Mitchell J.J. Anderson, 1983-1985, 157 games, 751 points
Barney Cable, 1959-1964, 362 games, 2372 points
Danny Granger, 2006-2007, 160 games, 1729 points, still presently playing
Hersey Hawkins, 1989-2001, 983 games, 14,468 points
Steve Kuberski, 1970-1978, 568 games, 3114 points
Jim Les, 1989-1995, 321 games, 1210 points
Shellie McMillon, 1959-1962, 263 games, 2397 points
Patrick O'Bryant, 2007-2007, 16 games, 31 points, still presently playing
Anthony Parker, 1998-2007, 129 games, 1034 points, still presently playing
Roger Phegley, 1979-1984, 345 games, 3011 points
Al Smith, 1972-1976, 337 games, 3298 points
Joe Strawder, 1966-1968, 231, games, 1977 points
Levern Tart, 1968-1971, 274 games, 5316 points
David Thirdkill, 1983-1987, 179 games, 510 points
Chet Walker, 1963-1975, 1032 games, 18,831 points

[BradleyBrave]

Comparison of players who have not only had a cup of coffee in the NBA but who
have actually played in more than 50 games in the NBA or are still active and playing.

Charlotte-- Only two such players:
Cedric Maxwell, 1978-1988, 835 games, 10,465 points
Rodney White, 2002-2005, 218 games, 1540 points

Bradley-- fifteen such players:
Mitchell J.J. Anderson, 1983-1985, 157 games, 751 points
Barney Cable, 1959-1964, 362 games, 2372 points
Danny Granger, 2006-2007, 160 games, 1729 points, still presently playing
Hersey Hawkins, 1989-2001, 983 games, 14,468 points
Steve Kuberski, 1970-1978, 568 games, 3114 points
Jim Les, 1989-1995, 321 games, 1210 points
Shellie McMillon, 1959-1962, 263 games, 2397 points
Patrick O'Bryant, 2007-2007, 16 games, 31 points, still presently playing
Anthony Parker, 1998-2007, 129 games, 1034 points, still presently playing
Roger Phegley, 1979-1984, 345 games, 3011 points
Al Smith, 1972-1976, 337 games, 3298 points
Joe Strawder, 1966-1968, 231, games, 1977 points
Levern Tart, 1968-1971, 274 games, 5316 points
David Thirdkill, 1983-1987, 179 games, 510 points
Chet Walker, 1963-1975, 1032 games, 18,831 points

If we're counting Danny Granger that we should be counting Joah Tucker. IMO Danny Granger doesn't count. It seems like we only count him when it's convenient, and I don't agree with that. He's either 'Always a Brave' or he isn't. IMO he isn't and never will be.

Coley may have made a mistake, but only time will tell. Sikes and Bright made mistakes too, there's not much disputing that. But, we'll take the guys who want to be here like Tyrone Cole-Scott and David Collins and be just fine. I remember when we were initially disappointed that we ended up with our last-ditch choice at the backup PG position. Will Franklin turned out just fine. If we get another player, I am sure that he'll not be a quality addition, but someone who wants to be here as well.

[tornado]

OK-- count Joah, but he didn't make it to the NBA so his presence in this context is irrelevant.
Granger was recruited to BU, played here, is an ex-Brave, and so I counted him.

But the argument is just as strong with or without him.
The point is that the odds of Coley making it to the next level are tremendously better at BU than at Charlotte, and I can't see why Coley is unable to figure that out.

[DUBulldog]

A post just made on Valleytalk says that Wade Knapp has signed with Missouri State.

[dogsrus]

Could be the writer but it states Knapp choose MS over Nevada with late pitches from ISU and WSU. BU not even mentioned.

[ChevEE]

Comparison of players who have not only had a cup of coffee in the NBA but who
have actually played in more than 50 games in the NBA or are still active and playing.

Charlotte-- Only two such players:
Cedric Maxwell, 1978-1988, 835 games, 10,465 points
Rodney White, 2002-2005, 218 games, 1540 points

Bradley-- fifteen such players:
Mitchell J.J. Anderson, 1983-1985, 157 games, 751 points
Barney Cable, 1959-1964, 362 games, 2372 points
Danny Granger, 2006-2007, 160 games, 1729 points, still presently playing
Hersey Hawkins, 1989-2001, 983 games, 14,468 points
Steve Kuberski, 1970-1978, 568 games, 3114 points
Jim Les, 1989-1995, 321 games, 1210 points
Shellie McMillon, 1959-1962, 263 games, 2397 points
Patrick O'Bryant, 2007-2007, 16 games, 31 points, still presently playing
Anthony Parker, 1998-2007, 129 games, 1034 points, still presently playing
Roger Phegley, 1979-1984, 345 games, 3011 points
Al Smith, 1972-1976, 337 games, 3298 points
Joe Strawder, 1966-1968, 231, games, 1977 points
Levern Tart, 1968-1971, 274 games, 5316 points
David Thirdkill, 1983-1987, 179 games, 510 points
Chet Walker, 1963-1975, 1032 games, 18,831 points

Wow, I had no clue. We really don't hear much about Bradley over here. This isn't a cut at you guys, but I had to look up where you are located. I will certainly grant you numbers of players into pros, but only 2-3 of those are in the last decade. Still better than us, but not a huge advantage by any means. Y'all have had a basketball program a lot longer than us too.

[Da Coach]

Springfield, MO newspaper--

http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070423/BLOGS0701/70423026

ValleyTalk topic--

http://valleytalk.net/showthread.php?s=38f4caf079ff8591347d90608336f93a&t=4614

Knapp should be a player for Barry Hinson a lot like Nate Bilyeu (who graduated), but maybe not as much of a rebounder. The MSU message board is pegging him as a backup center behind Drew Richards, but I would be surprised if he isn't a starter. I also do not think he is a true 6'9". Many articles on Knapp when he came out of high school describe him as 6'6" or 6'7". But I know Jim Les liked his style of play. I think Jim knew he wasn't going to sign him when he didn't commit on his visit.

[tornado]

Knapp should be every bit as good for them as Sky Frazier

[dogsrus]

Comparison of players who have not only had a cup of coffee in the NBA but who
have actually played in more than 50 games in the NBA or are still active and playing.

Charlotte-- Only two such players:
Cedric Maxwell, 1978-1988, 835 games, 10,465 points
Rodney White, 2002-2005, 218 games, 1540 points

Bradley-- fifteen such players:
Mitchell J.J. Anderson, 1983-1985, 157 games, 751 points
Barney Cable, 1959-1964, 362 games, 2372 points
Danny Granger, 2006-2007, 160 games, 1729 points, still presently playing
Hersey Hawkins, 1989-2001, 983 games, 14,468 points
Steve Kuberski, 1970-1978, 568 games, 3114 points
Jim Les, 1989-1995, 321 games, 1210 points
Shellie McMillon, 1959-1962, 263 games, 2397 points
Patrick O'Bryant, 2007-2007, 16 games, 31 points, still presently playing
Anthony Parker, 1998-2007, 129 games, 1034 points, still presently playing
Roger Phegley, 1979-1984, 345 games, 3011 points
Al Smith, 1972-1976, 337 games, 3298 points
Joe Strawder, 1966-1968, 231, games, 1977 points
Levern Tart, 1968-1971, 274 games, 5316 points
David Thirdkill, 1983-1987, 179 games, 510 points
Chet Walker, 1963-1975, 1032 games, 18,831 points

Wow, I had no clue. We really don't hear much about Bradley over here. This isn't a cut at you guys, but I had to look up where you are located. I will certainly grant you numbers of players into pros, but only 2-3 of those are in the last decade. Still better than us, but not a huge advantage by any means. Y'all have had a basketball program a lot longer than us too.

Chevee...hope you don't take that as a slap towards your program. This isn't BU vs UNCC.....good luck,,thanks for visiting and congrats on winning the CC sweepstakes.

[BradleyBrave]

I'm guessing the Collins signing probably took us off of Knapp's radar. Oh well.