'What should "O" do?'

[tornado]

did I misinterpret your post?

no, I was only using example to predict a sophomore slump.
Teams will study game films and have more to go on, and he will be defended better.

[patrick_o'brian]

I think that this has gotten way off topic. Now we are comparing AW and King O. What King O should do.......which was the topic of this mess, is shut up, get in the gym and start working. End of Story!

[Mikovio]

I don't remember ever disparaging AW.

So you didn't write:

every coach in the league except maybe Les would take Eldridge over warren every day and twice on Sunday so what's your point?

I find that questionable at best. And you even admit later on that you haven't seen Warren.

Honestly, I don't think one player is that much better than the other. Eldridge went to a place where he could get more minutes, helping to put up bigger total numbers, and this undoubtedly helped with FOY voting. Of course, the downside to taking the immediate playing time is the losing he had to endure (Typically, teams have a lot of playing time available for a reason)....

[DannyCooksey]

I don't remember ever disparaging AW.

So you didn't write:

every coach in the league except maybe Les would take Eldridge over warren every day and twice on Sunday so what's your point?

I find that questionable at best. And you even admit later on that you haven't seen Warren.

Honestly, I don't think one player is that much better than the other. Eldridge went to a place where he could get more minutes, helping to put up bigger total numbers, and this undoubtedly helped with FOY voting. Of course, the downside to taking the immediate playing time is the losing he had to endure (Typically, teams have a lot of playing time available for a reason)....

Yep I wrote it. I stand by it. I don't think it's dipsparaging in any way, shape, or form. It's not a knock at all against Warren rather a compliment to Eldridge. The Valley FOY, who was recruited by at least 4 Valley schools would probably be chosen by the vast majority of the league's coaches over a fellow freshman that saw limited time on a better team. I don't see where I said anything out of the ordinary here. I think most Valley fans would agree with this also.

If you feel that's offensive to AW, then I guess I apologize. But then it would also be offensive to Bone, Miles, Stinson, Young, Holmstrom as well.

I saw a tape of the game at RA and he (AW) played well. that's all I saw. 1 game. I can't say that I am an authority on him. You guys are all high on him, so he's probably a good player. Les doesn't sign garbage players.

and yes...........this did get off topic. I helped get it off topic so i apologize for my part.

[georgethedog]

OE is a good ballplayer and did fine for being a freshman.
Here are some comparable stats:

Player.........scoring avg.........points per shot...........points per minutes played
O. Eldridge (ISU)......9.5...................1.16............. ............0.4
J. Young (Drake)......9.3...................1.18........... ..............0.4
M. Stinson (InSU).....9.4...................1.17............. ............0.4
I. Miles (CU)............6.1...................1.20........ .................0.3
A. Warren (BU)........4.1...................1.5...........................0.3


Here are the figures for the top shooting guards Nate Funk and Jeremy Crouch:
N. Funk (CU)...........17.7.................1.38.......... ................0.5
J. Crouch................13.8.................1.40... .......................0.5

I am not so sure that any one of the freshman players couldn't have boosted their scoring average a bit, had they played more minutes, and taken more shots, and especially if they played on teams where they were a main offensive option.

Hey Stat Freak, can you calculate a standard deviation based upon total points per game?

[tornado]

DC-- I think most of the Valley coaches would love to have a player with Eldridge's talents.
But a player is MORE than just the sum total opf his talents, as I am sure you'd agree.
I need to point no further than players like Allen Iverson or Terrell Owens to convince you.
The player's attitude is pretty important. Doesn't it bother you that for a freshman who really hasn't proven all that much, he does seem to have a larger than life view of self.
In fact, I fully expect him to make some demands before he agrees to play for the new coach,
so look for Eldridge to get either a family member or his ex-high school coach hired as an assistant at ISU