'What should "O" do?'

[DannyCooksey]

Re: 'What should "O" do?'

I can't access Redbirdfan here at work.

But you can access BradleyFans... What does that say about your management? j/k

[DannyCooksey]

Only one freshman in that list faced a schedule of opponents that was ranked Top 20 among all schools.
ISU's preconference schedule ranks #243, and ranked worst in the Valley.
Obviously all those freshmen are quality players, but who you face and how many shots you take
may have more to do with the scoring numbers than most people realize.
It is obvious that among those freshmen, Eldridge has the fewest points scored per shot taken!
Conclusion, to look good, take more shots?

This is great logic. Except for the fact that Osiris' numbers were better in conference than out of conference.. By a long shot. Please try again.

And........are you just now finding out that if you take a couple more shots per game, the chances of scoring more points increases? Are you serious?

The more you shoot, the more you score. OK I got it.

[Old Guy]

Nope, if you score more because your shooting pct. goes up, or you help your team win more games, or advance in the conference or tournament, those are all proofs of getting better or being better.
Anyone wonder why all these guys scored way more than Kevin Durant and were NOT named All Americans?
Two of these guys took 20 shots per game!

Reggie Williams, VMI 28.8 points per game
Trey Johnson, Jackson St. 27.1 points per game
Morris Almond, Rice 26.6 points per game
Gary Neal, Towson 25.6 points per game

[IlliBraves]

I searched for him on Facebook. The results came up with his page, as well as groups titled Osiris Eldridge is the TRUTH, MVC Dominaton, and O, DON'T GO.

[DannyCooksey]

Nope, if you score more because your shooting pct. goes up, or you help your team win more games, or advance in the conference or tournament, those are all proofs of getting better or being better.
Anyone wonder why all these guys scored way more than Kevin Durant and were NOT named All Americans?
Two of these guys took 20 shots per game!

Reggie Williams, VMI 28.8 points per game
Trey Johnson, Jackson St. 27.1 points per game
Morris Almond, Rice 26.6 points per game
Gary Neal, Towson 25.6 points per game

He helped them win nearly twice as many games as the previous year. He helped them move up 3 places in conference. Much of that was lost with the tourney loss to Indiana St., but if you say he didn't help his team win, you are wrong.

There were other players that helped also, but Osiris had as big an impact as anyone. You can do whatever you want with your "stats". He averaged over 10 and close to 6rpg and a steal in conference and about half of those games were off the bench. Stats can be manipulated in anyway.

[Fetz86]

I searched for him on Facebook. The results came up with his page, as well as groups titled Osiris Eldridge is the TRUTH, MVC Dominaton, and O, DON'T GO.

I know MVC Domination is a group supporting the whole conference, not dedicated to him.

[cpacmel]

Nope, if you score more because your shooting pct. goes up, or you help your team win more games, or advance in the conference or tournament, those are all proofs of getting better or being better.
Anyone wonder why all these guys scored way more than Kevin Durant and were NOT named All Americans?
Two of these guys took 20 shots per game!

Reggie Williams, VMI 28.8 points per game
Trey Johnson, Jackson St. 27.1 points per game
Morris Almond, Rice 26.6 points per game
Gary Neal, Towson 25.6 points per game

There is more to the game than scoring points Old Guy.

Usually All-Americans have a well-rounded game.

As far as Eldridge goes, his numbers are best in conference games. In Conference games only he averaged nearly 6 boards per game. (5.7) That was good enough for 12th in the Valley overall. He was the only freshman listed in the top 15 for rebounding. Pretty impressive at 6'3.

And scoring wise he averaged 9.8 non-conference and 11.2 for conference games.

[Mikovio]

Doesn't this kid call himself "King O" That's partly why I found this to be so believable.

I logged on, found the group and read the messages this morning and on the surface it looked real. If this was a hoax, it had to have been a person pretty close to him who had his password and pic of him with a puzzled look on his face in his dormroom. Doubtful, but I guess it's possible.

Oh, and for the record, I'll take Andrew Warren over Osiris. This isn't to say Eldridge isn't good (he certainly is); just that I love Andrew's well-rounded game, his shooting range and composure and unselfishness. I think he can be something special with the increased minutes he'll see in years to come, and would have challenged for FOY honors on a more depleted team.....

[tornado]

Jeremy Crouch averaged 8.3ppg as a freshman, not too far from OE's 9.5ppg.
That did not guarantee anything, as he dropped to about half that his sophomore year.
Only time will tell.

It reminds me of the Cellus vs. Najeeb arguments, the Jim Les vs. Porter Moser arguments, the 2003-2005 BU recruiting classes vs. the 2003-2005 ISU recuriting classes arguments, and the DRuff vs. Al Stewart vs. Boo Richardson arguments that we heard all the time on this and other boards. And I can think of more...

Time has solved those arguments once and for all.

[BradleyBrave]

Cellus v Najeeb...Tornado stop! I thought we already had the 'good laugh' thread....

What would 'O' do?

What would Brian Boitano do?

[DannyCooksey]

Jeremy Crouch averaged 8.3ppg as a freshman, not too far from OE's 9.5ppg.
That did not guarantee anything, as he dropped to about half that his sophomore year.
Only time will tell.

It reminds me of the Cellus vs. Najeeb arguments, the Jim Les vs. Porter Moser arguments, the 2003-2005 BU recruiting classes vs. the 2003-2005 ISU recuriting classes arguments, and the DRuff vs. Al Stewart vs. Boo Richardson arguments that we heard all the time on this and other boards. And I can think of more...

Time has solved those arguments once and for all.

I am tired after a long workday, but when exactly was Osiris compared to Crouch or did I misinterpret your post?

[DannyCooksey]

Doesn't this kid call himself "King O" That's partly why I found this to be so believable.

I logged on, found the group and read the messages this morning and on the surface it looked real. If this was a hoax, it had to have been a person pretty close to him who had his password and pic of him with a puzzled look on his face in his dormroom. Doubtful, but I guess it's possible.

Oh, and for the record, I'll take Andrew Warren over Osiris. This isn't to say Eldridge isn't good (he certainly is); just that I love Andrew's well-rounded game, his shooting range and composure and unselfishness. I think he can be something special with the increased minutes he'll see in years to come, and would have challenged for FOY honors on a more depleted team.....

Stand by your man!!!! Good for you!!!

[romar]

Doesn't this kid call himself "King O" That's partly why I found this to be so believable.

I logged on, found the group and read the messages this morning and on the surface it looked real. If this was a hoax, it had to have been a person pretty close to him who had his password and pic of him with a puzzled look on his face in his dormroom. Doubtful, but I guess it's possible.

Oh, and for the record, I'll take Andrew Warren over Osiris. This isn't to say Eldridge isn't good (he certainly is); just that I love Andrew's well-rounded game, his shooting range and composure and unselfishness. I think he can be something special with the increased minutes he'll see in years to come, and would have challenged for FOY honors on a more depleted team.....

Stand by your man!!!! Good for you!!!

Count me in - A-Dub all the way!!

[Mikovio]

Oh, and for the record, I'll take Andrew Warren over Osiris. This isn't to say Eldridge isn't good (he certainly is); just that I love Andrew's well-rounded game, his shooting range and composure and unselfishness. I think he can be something special with the increased minutes he'll see in years to come, and would have challenged for FOY honors on a more depleted team.....

Stand by your man!!!! Good for you!!!

Oh, I'm not saying that just because Warren plays for us. I'm basing it on what I've seen from both players (and to be fair, I haven't seen as much of Eldridge as I would have liked to because ISU was only on TV, what, 2 times?).

But looking at the stats, they confirm my impressions....

Warren had 8 more assists than turnovers; Osiris was -3.

Warren was .833 from the charity stripe, .457 from beyond the arc, and .463 overall from the field.
Osiris, .788, .377 and .383

Warren: 9 blocks (obviously, due to the natural height advantage) and 14 steals; Osiris, 2 and 32.... But of course OE had almost twice as many minutes.

This isn't to say I wouldn't want Osiris on our team. I definitely would. But not if it meant giving up AW.

I know that Redbird Nation hasn't had much to gloat about lately, but you don't need to disparage all the other freshmen in the league to make yourself feel better about Osiris. He's a good player with lots of potential, but he's not the only one, so why not just leave it at that?

[DannyCooksey]

Oh, and for the record, I'll take Andrew Warren over Osiris. This isn't to say Eldridge isn't good (he certainly is); just that I love Andrew's well-rounded game, his shooting range and composure and unselfishness. I think he can be something special with the increased minutes he'll see in years to come, and would have challenged for FOY honors on a more depleted team.....

Stand by your man!!!! Good for you!!!

Oh, I'm not saying that just because Warren plays for us. I'm basing it on what I've seen from both players (and to be fair, I haven't seen as much of Eldridge as I would have liked to because ISU was only on TV, what, 2 times?).

But looking at the stats, they confirm my impressions....

Warren had 8 more assists than turnovers; Osiris was -3.

Warren was .833 from the charity stripe, .457 from beyond the arc, and .463 overall from the field.
Osiris, .788, .377 and .383

Warren: 9 blocks (obviously, due to the natural height advantage) and 14 steals; Osiris, 2 and 32.... But of course OE had almost twice as many minutes.

This isn't to say I wouldn't want Osiris on our team. I definitely would. But not if it meant giving up AW.

I know that Redbird Nation hasn't had much to gloat about lately, but you don't need to disparage all the other freshmen in the league to make yourself feel better about Osiris. He's a good player with lots of potential, but he's not the only one, so why not just leave it at that?

I don't remember ever disparaging AW. Mostly because I never have. To be fair I can't really comment on Warren either because the games I saw BU play on TV, he never left the bench. I know he played well at RA this year, but I wasn't at the game. I can't comment on his play because I haven't seen him. Osiris was voted FOY by the media and coaches and I suspect they know more than we do (at least the coaches). I'll let that speak for itself.

I guess we each have the same disadvantage in not seeing the other kid play? Very true ISU is never on TV. I'd say we leave it at that. good plan