Star Recruit OJ Mayo

[Braves4Life]

Statistics

You assume wrong.
Has Ray Brown been arrested, charged, or convicted of anything?
The answer is no. I am sure he regrets what he did but he broke no laws, and of course the law enforcement people know it too, that's why there have been no arrests or even an inquiry.
Have you ever wondered why he hasn't?
Are you even aware that Ray Brown has NOT broken any laws.
It is not an offense to test positive, the offense is when you are caught with it in your possession.

May seem like a fine line to you, but wake me up when RB gets arrested, gets a criminal record, or even if he gets a suspension for hitting a ref, or any of the number of other things Mayo was suspended for in the past at each of the past couple schools he's been at while doing whatever he has to do to try to grab headlines.

Please tell me you DO NOT HAVE children. With that type of attitude, we can only hope not.

THEY BOTH DID MARIJUANA!!! There is NO contention about either case. Ray Brown did not get arrested, that DOES NOT MEAN he did not break any laws. He could not be convicted, which is the only reason he was not charged. Also, there are more convictions than in a court of law. Yes, RB was charged with using pot and convicted by the NCAA. He was sentenced to losing one year of eligibility. If you don't think that is a law he broke, please go read the definition of a law. He broke no city, state or national law, but that doesn't mean he didn't break a law of the NCAA.

I supposed OJ Simpson is innocent too because he was acquitted.

I agree RB is no OJ Mayo, not even close. But this thread was about Mayo using pot and then you said OJ = loser. So are you saying if all OJ Mayo did was use pot he would not be a loser? Or only if he got caught by the police?

TB

I will not argue that what RB did was wrong....and he was punished!

My question is: If every college randomly tested their student body for drugs what percentage would test positive?

Second question: What percentage of college students have tried drugs while in college?

I would bet that the percentage for athletes is much lower in both cases than for the entire student body. And, when an athlete is caught he is punished more severely than the rest of the student population.

Not sure what my point is, but I thought I'd throw this out

[Da Coach]

Re: Statistics

You assume wrong.
Has Ray Brown been arrested, charged, or convicted of anything?
The answer is no. I am sure he regrets what he did but he broke no laws, and of course the law enforcement people know it too, that's why there have been no arrests or even an inquiry.
Have you ever wondered why he hasn't?
Are you even aware that Ray Brown has NOT broken any laws.
It is not an offense to test positive, the offense is when you are caught with it in your possession.

May seem like a fine line to you, but wake me up when RB gets arrested, gets a criminal record, or even if he gets a suspension for hitting a ref, or any of the number of other things Mayo was suspended for in the past at each of the past couple schools he's been at while doing whatever he has to do to try to grab headlines.

Please tell me you DO NOT HAVE children. With that type of attitude, we can only hope not.

THEY BOTH DID MARIJUANA!!! There is NO contention about either case. Ray Brown did not get arrested, that DOES NOT MEAN he did not break any laws. He could not be convicted, which is the only reason he was not charged. Also, there are more convictions than in a court of law. Yes, RB was charged with using pot and convicted by the NCAA. He was sentenced to losing one year of eligibility. If you don't think that is a law he broke, please go read the definition of a law. He broke no city, state or national law, but that doesn't mean he didn't break a law of the NCAA.

I supposed OJ Simpson is innocent too because he was acquitted.

I agree RB is no OJ Mayo, not even close. But this thread was about Mayo using pot and then you said OJ = loser. So are you saying if all OJ Mayo did was use pot he would not be a loser? Or only if he got caught by the police?

TB

I will not argue that what RB did was wrong....and he was punished!

My question is: If every college randomly tested their student body for drugs what percentage would test positive?

Second question: What percentage of college students have tried drugs while in college?

I would bet that the percentage for athletes is much lower in both cases than for the entire student body. And, when an athlete is caught he is punished more severely than the rest of the student population.

Not sure what my point is, but I thought I'd throw this out

Tampa Brave, I can't believe what I am reading from you! Do you really think that breaking an NCAA rule is equivalent to breaking the law?
If that were true, every time an NCAA player was called for travelling, or whistled for a foul, they would have to fine them or put them in jail! Breaking NCAA rules is nothing even close to violating the laws of a city, county, state, or federal government. That's all RB is guilty of- breaking an NCAA rule, and he is paying the price for it. It is not equivalent to being a criminal with a conviction. Not even close. He is a good kid who made a mistake. One that most people do and get away with. He will be a better person because of what's happened, but he has broken no laws.

[tornado]

Speaking of breaking laws....does anyone recall a situation recently in Champaign where some Illini basketball players were drinking underage, and driving drunk, committing improper lane usage, leaving the scene of an accident, and numerous other violations, both specifically charged and some which were ethical lapses tho not charged.
Did anyone other than I note how quickly everything seemed to be swept under the rug and never brought up again?
What happened to all those other underage basketball players who were named in the news stories,
and who broke team rules, defied the head coach's instructions, and created a legal and public relations nightmare on top of several other lawbreaking instances among other players like Spears, Head, McBride, McBride again, Pruitt, etc?
How come the rest of those lawbreakers, including Brian Carlwell himself who was drinking while underage, all got off so incredibly scot-free and the entire university acts as though nothnig happened?

Where is the discipline?
Where is the accountability?
Why did Jamar disappear for an hour and a half after the accident only to reemerge when Coach McClain drove him to the hospital to get an alcohol level.
Why were we fed incorrect/false information that Carlwell's blood alcohol level was zero, when it is now being revealed that not only was he drinking, but he was "blasted"?
Why were we told that Jamar didn't have a cel phone when Jamar's grandfather reports Jamar used his cel phone that very evening to text message his grandfather?
And why is the testimony of the players that they did NOT come back out from the party to the car where Carlwell was injured, when the women witnesses in the parking lot state unequivocally that they did come back out to the car, then left again and returned to the "beer and tequila" party?

Why am I the only one who seems interested in knowing that the facts are not hidden here?
Never mind.......the reason is the same as why nobody will ever investigate USC and the massive violations that occurred when Reggie Bush lived in a luixury home paid for by his future agent.

[amckillip]

Re: Statistics

You assume wrong.
Has Ray Brown been arrested, charged, or convicted of anything?
The answer is no. I am sure he regrets what he did but he broke no laws, and of course the law enforcement people know it too, that's why there have been no arrests or even an inquiry.
Have you ever wondered why he hasn't?
Are you even aware that Ray Brown has NOT broken any laws.
It is not an offense to test positive, the offense is when you are caught with it in your possession.

May seem like a fine line to you, but wake me up when RB gets arrested, gets a criminal record, or even if he gets a suspension for hitting a ref, or any of the number of other things Mayo was suspended for in the past at each of the past couple schools he's been at while doing whatever he has to do to try to grab headlines.

Please tell me you DO NOT HAVE children. With that type of attitude, we can only hope not.

THEY BOTH DID MARIJUANA!!! There is NO contention about either case. Ray Brown did not get arrested, that DOES NOT MEAN he did not break any laws. He could not be convicted, which is the only reason he was not charged. Also, there are more convictions than in a court of law. Yes, RB was charged with using pot and convicted by the NCAA. He was sentenced to losing one year of eligibility. If you don't think that is a law he broke, please go read the definition of a law. He broke no city, state or national law, but that doesn't mean he didn't break a law of the NCAA.

I supposed OJ Simpson is innocent too because he was acquitted.

I agree RB is no OJ Mayo, not even close. But this thread was about Mayo using pot and then you said OJ = loser. So are you saying if all OJ Mayo did was use pot he would not be a loser? Or only if he got caught by the police?

TB

I will not argue that what RB did was wrong....and he was punished!

My question is: If every college randomly tested their student body for drugs what percentage would test positive?

Second question: What percentage of college students have tried drugs while in college?

I would bet that the percentage for athletes is much lower in both cases than for the entire student body. And, when an athlete is caught he is punished more severely than the rest of the student population.

Not sure what my point is, but I thought I'd throw this out

Tampa Brave, I can't believe what I am reading from you! Do you really think that breaking an NCAA rule is equivalent to breaking the law?
If that were true, every time an NCAA player was called for travelling, or whistled for a foul, they would have to fine them or put them in jail! Breaking NCAA rules is nothing even close to violating the laws of a city, county, state, or federal government. That's all RB is guilty of- breaking an NCAA rule, and he is paying the price for it. It is not equivalent to being a criminal with a conviction. Not even close. He is a good kid who made a mistake. One that most people do and get away with. He will be a better person because of what's happened, but he has broken no laws.

Alright... I am no Lawyer here, BUT NCAA rules are no where near as serious as laws. HOWEVER, Ray Brown DID break the Law - no where in the United States is it legal to smoke marijuana. The difference is OJ got caught, Ray Brown did not. So while it's much easier to get irate about another school's prize recruit than your own, any rants about OJ Mayo apply equally to RayRay as far as the Marijuana incident is concerned.

[chitownBUB]

question, if Ray Brown is given some brownies, and eats them, not knowing they are made with marijuana, then he goes to the hospital and tests positive for marijuana, then
has he broken the law?

According to you he has, but the truth is that he has not.
It is against the law to be caught in possession of marijuana, but it is NOT and nowhere ever has been a violation of the law to simply test positive for it, and you cannot find a single such case prosecuted anywhere in America.
To be guilty of breaking the law, the violator must be caught with it in his possession.

(ps-- I know it's against the law to operate a motor vehicle while under the influence, but the violation there is the operation of the vehicle NOT the consumption of the marijuana, so that is not such an example.)

[Chucky T's]

Ray Brown knew what he was doing....he basically admitted he smoked marijuana and it was part of his life growing up....Ray Brown smoked marijuana and that is breaking the law even though he never got caught or arrested for it. If I steal your car, park it my garage and never get caught or arrested is it OK? Of course not....I broke the law....and Ray did too! He just never got "caught" by the proper authorities.

I am in no way comparing Ray to OJ Mayo... Ray made a mistake, got caught, has paid the price, (which is more than OJ will ever do!) and it is time to move on.

[Bravesguy]

This writer for ESPN is also impressed by OJ Mayo's early entry into the misbehavior club and treats him like the posterboy for future NCAA violations.

Regarding USC-
"the countdown to the O.J. Mayo era begins! Has he spent his booster money yet? I think he should buy a Range Rover and live in a suite at the top of the Standard Hotel near the Staples Center. Just kidding, there's no way USC would ever pay off a football or basketball star. That would be illegal. But just to be safe, I'd like to place a wager on the Mayo era ending prematurely in about nine months thanks to an investigative N.Y. Times feature that runs the same week as an Armen Keteyian report on "Real Sports" and a three-hour "Outside the Lines" report hosted by a euphoric Bob Ley."

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/070313&sportCat=ncb

[tornado]

Mayo = Loser

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/2007-03-10-oj-mayo_N.htm

He should have stayed with Bob Huggins, they could get a bulk team discount on their weed.

I won't weigh in on this debate, but will pose a little more evidence for you to peruse.

--A story about how OJ Mayo decided on going to USC
Not many recruits would do it this way.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/21/sports/ncaabasketball/21usc.html?_r=1&ref=ncaabasketball&oref=slogin

http://slamonline.com/online/2007/03/o-j-mayo-doesn%E2%80%99t-give-out-his-cell/

--a video of the final high school dunk by Mayo, dunking at the end of a game that was already decided and was a blowout (the scoreboard is visible and it is 77-30), then tossing the ball way into the stands, receiveing a technical

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RKoXNToOnk

--Incident where Mayo bumps ref, gets ejected (he actually pushed the elderly ref to the floor)
And it can be seen that the ref doesn't call the "T" for the dunk, but instead for the taunting that followed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkt4YdLdXjM&NR

[IheartBU]

This is a kid who is the exact opposite of what we would ever recruit at BU.

[That Guy]

Mayo is reduculous. What kind of a player has the audacity to tell the coach, "don't call me, I'll call you." After this kid's first suspension from school for breaking whatever team rule, he will be gone. With his "me-first" style of play, Mayo has been prepping for the NBA since middle school. Is it any wonder he has been to three different high schools in three years?

[collegehoopjunkie]

Maybe OJ Mayo is overrated?
Maybe so is his ex-teammate Bill Walker?

As it turns out, the school that both abandoned, North College Hill ended up winning the Ohio
State Championship without either of them. This makes three straight state titles for
North College Hill, two with those superstars and one without them.

http://zanesvilletimesrecorder.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070324/UPDATES04/70324014/1006/SPORTS