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Mac-- there are some very serious inconsistencies in Jamar's grandfather's story. His words conflict severely with one report of what the eyewitness in the parking lot, the woman who called 911, said to the police, as quoted directly from the State's Attorney.
One thing that stands out to me is the line about how Chester Frazier and one other teammate came out and couldn't find the car and then went back inside.
I have a whole lot of questions about this line...
---first...it is totally inconsistent with a report from the very woman in the parking lot who called 911.
She was reportedly interviewed on one of the Champaign TV stations and said that the two players who came back out DID look at the car, but did NOT summon help and simply went back inside.
Also, here are the very words as quoted from State's attorney Julia Reitz:
"Two witnesses saw the damaged vehicle pull into the parking lot and saw a tall man (wearing an Illini sweat suit) exit the vehicle and enter the apartment building. They also saw an unconscious passenger in the vehicle. They then saw the tall man and a second man return, approach the car, and then leave and go back into the building"
It was Carlwell who then regained consciousness and started honking the horn to summon help, which then prompted the onlooking women to call 911.
So the two who came out of the apartments DID approach the car but turned around and went back inside and never came back out...NEVER!
--even if you truly couldn't find the car, would you just go back inside and forget about it if you knew your friend and teammate was lying in a car out there injured or dead?
--if they came outside to look for a car then the MUST HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE that the car was damaged in an accident and that Carlwell was inside....Jamar's grandfather acknowledges that. Then why didn't a single person at the party - reportedly at least 6 or 7 Illini basketball players and additional "women", call the police or 911?
Why did they all just go on with their activities as if nothing happened?
Another quote from the State's Attorney:
"???‚¬?“The witnesses (in the parking lot) called 911. No other 911 calls were made"
--why is everyone doing such a good job of hiding the identity of those underage people drinking at the paty who were informed of the accident and yet did nothing?
Lots of people who also live in the apartments and who are posting on some of the message boards have said the names, but yet the Illinois coaching staff has only acted to keep ONE player from playing, and is even allowing him to practice.
I think these other people who were at the party are guilty of several serious violations of both the law and of team policy and alcohol/drug policy. It appears as though the Illini coaching staff cares more about the upcoming game....
--lastly, why have so many people tried to act so righteous and trumpet some kind of report that Brian Carlwell's alcohol level was "ZERO"? Why did people perpetuate this false rumor?
If I had said his BAC was 200 then I'd have been asked for the source of the info or for proof, yet the people touting the level was zero, never gave any source or any proof and were allowed to put that all over certain other message boards (but not this one).
Certainly Jamar's grandfather got his info direct from Jamar and if he says Carlwell was drinking and was "blasted" then I suspect he is telling the truth.
--Why are the police not doing more to find out who supplied the alcohol to underage people which led to this near tragic incident?
Jamar's grandfather and at least one other quote I have seen from possibly Jamar himself claim he went out and bought it without being asked for ID.
Isn't that a violation of the law?
Why aren't the police asking where this place was that he illegally was sold alcohol?
If they know where he bought the booze, then aren't the police obligated to cite the vendor?
and is anyone else bothered a bit by this inconsistency?
---"Leroy Smith ...sent his grandson a text message that told him "a big storm was coming"...Jamar Smith, ...returned the text: "OK POPS." ....so he MUST HAVE HAD A CEL PHONE, and doesn't just about every colege student have one with them at pretty much all times?
then later in the story
--"Smith has said he didn't have a cell phone with him at the time of the accident"
but it also says this about Jamar Smith at the time of the accident
"Drunk, concussed and confused"
So did he or did he not have a cel phone?
Or did he just supposedly NOT have it when it is better for his defense to have an excuse for why he didn't call police?
And lots of people don't have cel phones, and haven't for decades, and never used that as a reason to violate the law by not calling police. He still IS obligated to find a phone and call police or ask someone else to do it.
He had to drive right by numerous places that did have a phone to get back to his apartment, and still even once he was at the apartment....what the HE!! stopped him from calling the police from there?
Time line---
---"shortly after 11PM"...Jamar Smith drives Brian Carlwell to campus and strikes a tree. He then drives back to the apartments over a mile south.
---11:41 a woman at the apartments calls 911 and reports an injured man in a damaged car. She also reports seeing the driver of the car go into an apartment, two "tall men" return to the car then went back inside, then no other people from the apartment were mentioned beyond that.
---11:51PM...within 10 minutes, rescue personnel were on the scene.
Have any of you people ever witnessed one of these 911 responses? They involve paramedics, rescue personnel, ambulances, and fire engines all arriving with lights flashing and sirens blaring. And are you going to tell me that nobody at Jamar's party had any clue that this was all going on? Were they all in such a drunken stupor they didn't see anything and didn't hear the sirens? And they all forgot that Jamar had just told them their injured friend was unconscious out there in the car, because they never went back out to help.
---12:10AM...the police report then says it took 15 minutes to get Carlwell out of the wrecked car, so by now it was 12:05 to 12:10PM, and no mention in any report of the basketball players being around anywhere.
---somewhere in this interval Jamar calls one of the assistant coaches, who races out to the apartments, never contacts any authorities, even though he is informed of the accident and of the serious injury to Carlwell. The assistant coach apparently finds Jamar to console him but never contacts the police and doesn't immediately take Jamar for medical.
---1:00AM...the police state they searched for the driver of the vehicle, but that it took until 1AM to locate him, and at that the time they found Jamar, then Wayne McClain drove Jamar to the hospital where he was treated and released.
Some time after 1AM, Bruce Weber arrived at the hospital and reportedly spent the night there waiting to hear reports on Brian Carlwell.
It appears I am not the only one who sees inconsistencies and contradictions.
The news reporters are going to start circling like vultures with all this spin and coverup going on.
One thing that stands out to me is the line about how Chester Frazier and one other teammate came out and couldn't find the car and then went back inside.
I have a whole lot of questions about this line...
---first...it is totally inconsistent with a report from the very woman in the parking lot who called 911.
She was reportedly interviewed on one of the Champaign TV stations and said that the two players who came back out DID look at the car, but did NOT summon help and simply went back inside.
Also, here are the very words as quoted from State's attorney Julia Reitz:
"Two witnesses saw the damaged vehicle pull into the parking lot and saw a tall man (wearing an Illini sweat suit) exit the vehicle and enter the apartment building. They also saw an unconscious passenger in the vehicle. They then saw the tall man and a second man return, approach the car, and then leave and go back into the building"
It was Carlwell who then regained consciousness and started honking the horn to summon help, which then prompted the onlooking women to call 911.
So the two who came out of the apartments DID approach the car but turned around and went back inside and never came back out...NEVER!
--even if you truly couldn't find the car, would you just go back inside and forget about it if you knew your friend and teammate was lying in a car out there injured or dead?
--if they came outside to look for a car then the MUST HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE that the car was damaged in an accident and that Carlwell was inside....Jamar's grandfather acknowledges that. Then why didn't a single person at the party - reportedly at least 6 or 7 Illini basketball players and additional "women", call the police or 911?
Why did they all just go on with their activities as if nothing happened?
Another quote from the State's Attorney:
"???‚¬?“The witnesses (in the parking lot) called 911. No other 911 calls were made"
--why is everyone doing such a good job of hiding the identity of those underage people drinking at the paty who were informed of the accident and yet did nothing?
Lots of people who also live in the apartments and who are posting on some of the message boards have said the names, but yet the Illinois coaching staff has only acted to keep ONE player from playing, and is even allowing him to practice.
I think these other people who were at the party are guilty of several serious violations of both the law and of team policy and alcohol/drug policy. It appears as though the Illini coaching staff cares more about the upcoming game....
--lastly, why have so many people tried to act so righteous and trumpet some kind of report that Brian Carlwell's alcohol level was "ZERO"? Why did people perpetuate this false rumor?
If I had said his BAC was 200 then I'd have been asked for the source of the info or for proof, yet the people touting the level was zero, never gave any source or any proof and were allowed to put that all over certain other message boards (but not this one).
Certainly Jamar's grandfather got his info direct from Jamar and if he says Carlwell was drinking and was "blasted" then I suspect he is telling the truth.
--Why are the police not doing more to find out who supplied the alcohol to underage people which led to this near tragic incident?
Jamar's grandfather and at least one other quote I have seen from possibly Jamar himself claim he went out and bought it without being asked for ID.
Isn't that a violation of the law?
Why aren't the police asking where this place was that he illegally was sold alcohol?
If they know where he bought the booze, then aren't the police obligated to cite the vendor?
and is anyone else bothered a bit by this inconsistency?
---"Leroy Smith ...sent his grandson a text message that told him "a big storm was coming"...Jamar Smith, ...returned the text: "OK POPS." ....so he MUST HAVE HAD A CEL PHONE, and doesn't just about every colege student have one with them at pretty much all times?
then later in the story
--"Smith has said he didn't have a cell phone with him at the time of the accident"
but it also says this about Jamar Smith at the time of the accident
"Drunk, concussed and confused"
So did he or did he not have a cel phone?
Or did he just supposedly NOT have it when it is better for his defense to have an excuse for why he didn't call police?
And lots of people don't have cel phones, and haven't for decades, and never used that as a reason to violate the law by not calling police. He still IS obligated to find a phone and call police or ask someone else to do it.
He had to drive right by numerous places that did have a phone to get back to his apartment, and still even once he was at the apartment....what the HE!! stopped him from calling the police from there?
Time line---
---"shortly after 11PM"...Jamar Smith drives Brian Carlwell to campus and strikes a tree. He then drives back to the apartments over a mile south.
---11:41 a woman at the apartments calls 911 and reports an injured man in a damaged car. She also reports seeing the driver of the car go into an apartment, two "tall men" return to the car then went back inside, then no other people from the apartment were mentioned beyond that.
---11:51PM...within 10 minutes, rescue personnel were on the scene.
Have any of you people ever witnessed one of these 911 responses? They involve paramedics, rescue personnel, ambulances, and fire engines all arriving with lights flashing and sirens blaring. And are you going to tell me that nobody at Jamar's party had any clue that this was all going on? Were they all in such a drunken stupor they didn't see anything and didn't hear the sirens? And they all forgot that Jamar had just told them their injured friend was unconscious out there in the car, because they never went back out to help.
---12:10AM...the police report then says it took 15 minutes to get Carlwell out of the wrecked car, so by now it was 12:05 to 12:10PM, and no mention in any report of the basketball players being around anywhere.
---somewhere in this interval Jamar calls one of the assistant coaches, who races out to the apartments, never contacts any authorities, even though he is informed of the accident and of the serious injury to Carlwell. The assistant coach apparently finds Jamar to console him but never contacts the police and doesn't immediately take Jamar for medical.
---1:00AM...the police state they searched for the driver of the vehicle, but that it took until 1AM to locate him, and at that the time they found Jamar, then Wayne McClain drove Jamar to the hospital where he was treated and released.
Some time after 1AM, Bruce Weber arrived at the hospital and reportedly spent the night there waiting to hear reports on Brian Carlwell.
It appears I am not the only one who sees inconsistencies and contradictions.
The news reporters are going to start circling like vultures with all this spin and coverup going on.
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