BU coaching candidates- where are they now?

[beanocookschins]

If it is relevant to some people to hold a coach like Jim Les up to some standard that they believe a different coach would have achieved (like statements saying he should have done better because he inherited an NBAer and 2 All MVC guards), than it absurd to suggest that it isn't relevant to point out that some of the coaching candidates that we heard proponents for in 2002 aren't looking like they would have been right for Bradley.

I still hear from people on a near-daily basis who think Bradley should have hired the coaching candidate that was runner-up to Jim Les. The same candidate that has as many college coaching victories as I have 6 years later.

Fair enough but I haven't seen those posts on this thread so I'm not sure why it is relevant. Has anyone on this thread claimed Bradley should have hired the "runner up" candidate? I certainly haven't. I also haven't seen where anyone suggested that a Brian Gregory, James Jones, etc. would have done better. We don't know. However, that is exclusive of whether someone thinks Jim Les is doing a good job or not.

There were alot of good possibilities who were completely turned off by the process and the idea of having to keep two assistants. I sure hope Bradley didn't just "settle", shrug it's collective shoulders and say "this is the best we could do." I don't think its unfair for fans to want the best.

[Beninator]

I still hear from people on a near-daily basis who think Bradley should have hired the coaching candidate that was runner-up to Jim Les. The same candidate that has as many college coaching victories as I have 6 years later.

I used to hear this from people as well. But not that much anymore. I think that if the runner up wanted to be a head coach somewhere, then he better take a head coaching job outside this state.

[Murph]

I'm happy with Jim Les and I really like the direction the program is headed.

You're happy being mid pack every year?

[BU_EMT128]

You're happy being mid pack every year?

I would like to see a 1 or 2 finish... a few more seasons of this 5-6 crap and i will be very much anti-Les

[Scouter]

I would like to see a 1 or 2 finish... a few more seasons of this 5-6 crap and i will be very much anti-Les

One more season like that and this will be a much more heated discussion. As another poster would say: BOOK IT.

[ph]

Many of us are happy w/ the Sweet 16, however, was that just because of Chuck Buescher? It seems the 2 years Coach Buesch was here stand out among the trees....

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[ph]

Many of us are happy w/ the Sweet 16, however, was that just because of Chuck Buescher? It seems the 2 years Coach Buesch was here stand out among the trees....

How many of the the 3/4 future pros in the starting lineup (Bennet, Sommerville, POB and possibly Ruff) and another 3/4 off the bench (Boogie, Franklin, Zach, and possibly Crouch) signed under CB's tenure? To me the # of future pros stands out most among those 2 seasons.

Do we still currently have 6-8 future pros on our team? or did they only develop under Coach Buesch?

[tornado]

How come nobody uses the argument that we won 22 games two years in a row with Lennox Forrester as assistant, now we dropped after he moved on to SIU-E,
therefore...using the exact same logic and reasoning everyone seems to use with Chuck Buescher, then it is clear, those years with Lennox stand out "among the trees" and so obviously LF was much more instrumental than some give credit for.

[Lakeview Brave]

Maybe that is the case but if it is what was he doing the previous 3 years?

[BradleyBrave]

How come nobody uses the argument that we won 22 games two years in a row with Lennox Forrester as assistant, now we dropped after he moved on to SIU-E,
therefore...using the exact same logic and reasoning everyone seems to use with Chuck Buescher, then it is clear, those years with Lennox stand out "among the trees" and so obviously LF was much more instrumental than some give credit for.

Perhaps because Lennox was around for more than just the back-to-back 22 win seasons?

[tornado]

The logic I see here is why people carry rabbits' feet and cross their fingers.
He was there, thus is was due to him....etc...anecdotal only

Then I guess using this same simple logic, let's see what else becomes apparent.......

I guess Wayne McClain is to be blamed for Illinois worst season in decades since the longer he's there the more losses they seem to get

...and Keno Davis certainly cannot be given any credit for Drake's remarkable year or as LB says "what was he doing the previous 3 years?"
Then I guess the only person to whom we can credit Drake's present success is the newest assistant Rhodell Davis who just came onboard before this season.
Also, I guess we have to blame all the past failures on Dr. Tom and Keno.
I can see that it becomes easy to analyze every success and failure this way, I like it...

[Lakeview Brave]

The logic I see here is why people carry rabbits' feet and cross their fingers.
He was there, thus is was due to him....etc...anecdotal only

Then I guess using this same simple logic, let's see what else becomes apparent.......

I guess Wayne McClain is to be blamed for Illinois worst season in decades since the longer he's there the more losses they seem to get

...and Keno Davis certainly cannot be given any credit for Drake's remarkable year or as LB says "what was he doing the previous 3 years?"
Then I guess the only person to whom we can credit Drake's present success is the newest assistant Rhodell Davis who just came onboard before this season.
Also, I guess we have to blame all the past failures on Dr. Tom and Keno.
I can see that it becomes easy to analyze every success and failure this way, I like it...

You can analyze how ever you want. Are you saying the Big Bish had no influence on how the team played? Was he not the most experienced coach on the staff by far at the time he was on the team? I dont think he made all the difference in the world but he certainly didnt hurt and the fact is he is much more qualified then our current associate head coach. Has anyone looked at coaching resume of our and associate head coach?

I agree with others that the head coach should get the credit and the blame so I give Coach Les credit for the good and great things that have happend the last six years like having a winning record against ISU (good thing) like making the final game in St. Louis (good thing) like making the NCAA tournament (great thing) and winning two games (amazing) and maybe part of that is realizing he needed someone like Big Bish on the staff to help. I also blame him for not having a winning conference record, not finshing in the top 3 and never winning in St. Louis.

[BradleyBrave]

This is amazing. We're so hypersensitive about defending the great Jim Les that we've resorted to belittling Chuck Buescher. Wow. Wow.

[tornado]

Buescher has every right to share in the success BU had while he was there, and nobody is "belittling" him.
...but it is ridiculous to say he was THE reason they were good in those two seasons, and his absence singlehandedly explains why BU is down this year.
It is just a weak argument put forth by the Jim Les-bashers.

[BradleyBrave]

Buescher has every right to share in the success BU had while he was there, and nobody is "belittling" him.
...but it is ridiculous to say he was THE reason they were good in those two seasons, and his absence singlehandedly explains why BU is down this year.
It is just a weak argument put forth by the Jim Les-bashers.

The most games we won prior to him joining the staff was 15. We won 22 games both years he was on the bench. We won 17 the year he left. Both of his years we had significant players miss significant time, yet still persevered. This year we did not. Maybe it's a coincidence, maybe it's not. But to say it's a 'weak' argument by the 'Jim Les bashers' is ridiculous. It's one of the things that's different from the last 2 years, just like losing ZA, WF, JJ, and DA, or losing Lennox Forrester.

I know several people who think we're missing Chuck's influence and they're die-hard BU fans, donate money, and are also Jim Les fans. Why is that a rip on Jim? Why the paranoia? Chuck was a good coach and is hard to replace. Some people think CU lost something when Kevin McKenna left Dana's side. Is that the 'Dana bashers' out on the prowl? Give me a break. Jim Les doesn't need anyone sticking up for him. He's a big boy, he can take it (even though I don't really think he's being ripped on that badly).