MVC standings after Thursday's games

[Da Coach]

Bradley is now in a 3 way tie for 4th place, but I believe they would come in 3rd in the tiebreaker because of their 2 losses to WSU and the fact that UNI and WSU split.
Here are the MVC standings after tonight's 2 games.--
Team.............MVC....All
Southern Ill....11-3..20-5
Creighton.......11-3..16-7
Missouri State..9-5..18-7
Bradley...........7-7..16-10
Northern Iowa..7-7..16-9
Wichita St.......7-7..16-9
Indiana St.......5-9..12-12
Evansville........5-9..12-13
Drake............4-10..13-12
Illinois St........4-10..12-13

[ballin245]

Re: MVC standings after Thursday's games

Bradley is now in a 3 way tie for 4th place, but I believe they would come in 3rd in the tiebreaker because of their 2 losses to WSU and the fact that UNI and WSU split.
Here are the MVC standings after tonight's 2 games.--
Team.............MVC....All
Southern Ill....11-3..20-5
Creighton.......11-3..16-7
Missouri State..9-5..18-7
Bradley...........7-7..16-10
Northern Iowa..7-7..16-9
Wichita St.......7-7..16-9
Indiana St.......5-9..12-12
Evansville........5-9..12-13
Drake............4-10..13-12
Illinois St........4-10..12-13

[bugregshu]

We beat Wichita State at home. UNI and Wichita split. Bradley and Wichita split. So if we beat UNI at home it will be a 3 way tie with 3 splits.

[ballin245]

we didnt lose twice to wsu we lost once

[Da Coach]

Here are the remaining games for each of the 3 teams (WSU, UNI, and BU)--

Bradley- 3 of remaining 4 MVC games at home--
Feb. 10 (H) Drake
Feb. 14 (A) Evansville
Feb. 17 (A) VCU
Feb. 20 (H) UNI
Feb. 24 (H) Indiana State

UNI- 2 of 4 remaining MVC games on road-
Feb. 10 (H) Missouri State
Feb. 13 (A) Creighton
Feb. 17 (A) Nevada
Feb.20 (A) Bradley
Feb. 24 (H) Illinois State

Wichita State- 2 of 4 remaining MVC games on road-
Feb. 11 (H) Illinois State
Feb. 14 (A) Drake
Feb. 17 (H) Appalachian State
Feb. 20 (H) Missouri State
Feb. 24 (A) Creighton

Looks like Bradley fans will be pulling strongly for ISU these last couple weeks of the season.

[Da Coach]

We beat Wichita State at home. UNI and Wichita split. Bradley and Wichita split. So if we beat UNI at home it will be a 3 way tie with 3 splits.

Oops got that one wrong. Yes, the tiebreaker would fall to the results of the 3 teams against other Valley teams based on a tiebreaker formula, which, I believe, Bradley loses out on because of their 2 losses each to SIU and CU.
UNI has a win against SIU and Wichita has a win against Creighton.

http://www.mvc-sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=7600&ATCLID=274386&SPID=2897&SPSID=41240

Here is the tiebreaker formula--
Two-way Ties--
Records in head-to-head competition are compared, with the higher seed going to the team that has won the most games against the other.
If head-to-head competition does not break the tie, the deadlock will be broken by a power-rating system, using league games. The team among the tying institutions with the better point total will receive the higher seed.
In the event the tie cannot be broken, the seeding shall be determined by a coin toss.
Multiple Ties--
If three or more teams are tied, regular-season competition among the tied schools shall be pooled into a "mini round-robin." Teams shall be ranked according to their position in such a round- robin.
In the event this process does not solve the multiple ties, the deadlock will be broken by a power-rating system, using league games. The team among the tying institutions with the better point total will receive the higher seed.
In the event this process does not resolve the ties, a coin toss will be the final alternative.
POWER-RATING SYSTEM League Win Road Home
vs. 1st-Place Team 20 Points 19 Points
vs. 2nd-Place Team 18 Points 17 Points
vs. 3rd-Place Team 16 Points 15 Points
vs. 4th-Place Team 14 Points 13 Points
vs. 5th-Place Team 12 Points 11 Points
vs. 6th-Place Team 10 Points 9 Points
vs. 7th-Place Team 8 Points 7 Points
vs. 8th-Place Team 6 Points 5 Points
vs. 9th-Place Team 4 Points 3 Points
vs. 10th-Place Team 2 Points 1 Points

Note: If there is a tie in the standings, a team???‚¬?„?s record against the combined tied teams is used. (if Team A and Team B tie for first place, a road win against Team A or Team B will be worth 19 points and a home win vs. Team A or Team B will be worth 18 points.)

[TheAsianSensation]

All of a sudden, WSU leaps right into the middle of the at-large picture.

ASU is a team they should beat, and gives an unexpected RPI boost to.

I'd expect another 4 in a row from WSU giving them a freeroll opportunity at Creighton to become a lock.

UNI's in all sorts of trouble, because they aren't winning any of those road games, and MSU at home won't be fun either. Even 3-2, which would be amazing given that sked, won't be enough considering their non-con SoS.

Bradley needs at least 4-1 to entertain any at-large thoughts, but it's very possible with the sked.

It looks almost automatic, to me, that it'll be BU-WSU in the 4-5 game.

[MacabreMob]

It looks almost automatic, to me, that it'll be BU-WSU in the 4-5 game.

After UNI's home loss to DU tonight... I agree.

BU/WSU in the 4/5.

UNI/Mo St in the 3-6.

SIU and CU will be the 1 and 2.

(As solid as I think the 1 and 2 are, I don't see a conference tourney upset this year in round 1 to the 7 through 10 seeds.)

[Bravesfan]

We beat Wichita State at home. UNI and Wichita split. Bradley and Wichita split. So if we beat UNI at home it will be a 3 way tie with 3 splits.

It won't matter who wins the tiebreaker. WSU will get an at-large bid light years before Bradley does based on their OOC performance. Even if WSU finishes a game behind Bradley, they'll get the NCAA bid as long as they finish 10-8. 9-9 may not be entirely out of the question for an at-large bid either for the Shockers.

Let's hope for Bradley's sake that the Shockers finish 8-10 and don't win the Valley tournament!

[MacabreMob]

Even if WSU finishes a game behind Bradley, they'll get the NCAA bid as long as they finish 10-8.

I think BU and WSU both finish 10-8.

[georgethedog]

We beat Wichita State at home. UNI and Wichita split. Bradley and Wichita split. So if we beat UNI at home it will be a 3 way tie with 3 splits.

It won't matter who wins the tiebreaker. WSU will get an at-large bid light years before Bradley does based on their OOC performance. Even if WSU finishes a game behind Bradley, they'll get the NCAA bid as long as they finish 10-8. 9-9 may not be entirely out of the question for an at-large bid either for the Shockers.

Let's hope for Bradley's sake that the Shockers finish 8-10 and don't win the Valley tournament!

Are you still hoping for an at-large bid? Give it up already and face it that BU will be in the NIT unless they win the tournament. I've been a BU fan since the early 70's and I do not think they deserve a bid even if they win out and win a couple in St. Louis. Who have they beaten?

[Da Coach]

It won't matter who wins the tiebreaker. WSU will get an at-large bid light years before Bradley does based on their OOC performance. Even if WSU finishes a game behind Bradley, they'll get the NCAA bid as long as they finish 10-8. 9-9 may not be entirely out of the question for an at-large bid either for the Shockers.

I disagree! Bradley's RPI is better than WSU, and BU's nonconference Strength of Schedule is 60, and Wichita State's is a terrible 198! The NCAA selection committee pays a lot of attention to those numbers.

http://kenpom.com/conf.php?y=2007&c=MVC

Those heralded early season wins by Wichita at George Mason, LSU, Syracuse, and Wyoming dont look so good any more. None are locks to make the NCAA, and all 4 could miss it.--
George Mason has a lousy 126 RPI, a 13-10 record, and they are just 7-6 in the Colonial League, which is not a good conference overall (#12 RPI) They have 4 good teams, and 8 bad teams. GMU has virtually no chance of making the NCAA and will be lucky to make the NIT.
LSU is now 13-10 and a terrible 2-7 and dead last in the SEC West. Their RPI is 89 and they will most likely not make the NCAA. They may make the NIT, but even that's not a lock.
Syracuse is still at RPI 63, they are 16-8, but just 5-5 and in 8th place in the Big East and in danger of missing the NCAA tournament.
And Wyoming is 13-11, and 4-6 in the Mountain West Conference with a 122 RPI. They have almost no hope of making the NCAA and will probably not even make the NIT.

[amckillip]

I agree a BU at-large is not an impossible feat, and WSU's wins were actually just exposing that those teams weren't that good. I think an for an at large bid some things really have to go our way, but it's not impossible.

[New Guy]

Remaining conference games
BU-1vsDU-2@UE-3vsUNI 4-vsInSU

WSU-1vsIlSU-2@DU3-vsMSU-4@CU

UNI-1vsMSU-2@CU-3@BU-4vsIlSU

MSU-1@UNI-2vsSIU-3@WSU-4vsDU

BU has the most favorable schedule. MSU has to play at both WSU and UNI and SIU at home. They could have a couple more losses before it is over.

[Da Coach]

As of the standings right now, according to the MVC tiebreaker system posted above, UNI would win the tiebreaker over BU and Wichita, but WSU would finish 2nd, and BU 3rd- because more of their wins have been against the higher ranked teams in the league, while Bradley's wins have been mostly against the bottom teams.
That would have UNI getting the #4 seed, WSU #5, and BU #6. Bradley needs to move ahead of one of the other 2 to avoid the 3-6 game in the tournament.