Alec Peters

[Da Coach]

Alec Peters got extended playing time tonight for the Phoenix Suns in their last game of the season, and had a great game as the Suns beat the Dallas Mavericks in Dallas 124-97 -

http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400975962

Alec Peters had a game-high 36 points in 28 minutes, on 12-20 shooting, 8-13 from three, 9 rebounds, and 2 assists.

[Da Coach]

There was one other interesting NBA rookie story last night. The Lakers called up 32 year old Andre Ingram. He has spent the last 10 years with the Lakers' Development League team. He is the oldest rookie in the NBA in over 50 years.
He had a terrific game, scoring 19 points in his NBA debut, going 6-8 shooting, and 4-5 from three.

https://www.nba.com/amp/lakers/news/180410-andre-ingram

https://nytimes.com/2018/04/10/sports/andre-ingram-lakers.html#click=https://t.co/1G15iK8WUy

He is the all time leader in the D-League in 3-point percentage and made threes, but he has a very funky-looking shot.

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/32-year-old-lakers-rookie-andre-ingram-catches-fire-first-half-nba-debut-034818554.html

[ihatetea]

Not quite sure where the bit about him being the oldest rookie in 50 years comes from. Pablo Prigioni was a rookie in 2012 at the age of 35, 13 years after being drafted. He had a very good career in Europe before coming to the USA for a few years.

[Da Coach]

Not quite sure where the bit about him being the oldest rookie in 50 years comes from. Pablo Prigioni was a rookie in 2012 at the age of 35, 13 years after being drafted. He had a very good career in Europe before coming to the USA for a few years.

You are certainly correct that Prigioni was the oldest rookie in NBA history when he made his NBA debut on November 2, 2012.
I got my information from a feature on Andre Ingram that I saw on Good Morning America this morning-

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/News/video/32-year-nba-rookie-steals-show-54386104

However, I listened to it again, and they said "the oldest American rookie in the last 50 years". So I didn't hear it correctly the first time. I was in an auto shop waiting room getting new tires installed on my car, and with the loud noise, I heard it wrong .
Sorry for the mistake, and thanks for catching it! It's still a cool story!

[tornado]

Andre Ingram has a very strange, shot-put like release to his 3-pt shot...but they go in!!

https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/983938810470895616

[ihatetea]

You are certainly correct that Prigioni was the oldest rookie in NBA history when he made his NBA debut on November 2, 2012.
I got my information from a feature on Andre Ingram that I saw on Good Morning America this morning-

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/News/video/32-year-nba-rookie-steals-show-54386104

However, I listened to it again, and they said "the oldest American rookie in the last 50 years". So I didn't hear it correctly the first time. I was in an auto shop waiting room getting new tires installed on my car, and with the loud noise, I heard it wrong .
Sorry for the mistake, and thanks for catching it! It's still a cool story!

I assumed you got it from someone who was misinformed. I did read this line on ESPN, which is a little oddly written:

And as for players making their NBA debut after the All-Star break, Ingram's 19 points were the most in a debut in the past 50 seasons, second to Danny Finn's 28 points scored in 1953.

[bigjimmy]

Alec Peters got extended playing time tonight for the Phoenix Suns in their last game of the season, and had a great game as the Suns beat the Dallas Mavericks in Dallas 124-97 -

http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400975962

Alec Peters had a game-high 36 points in 28 minutes, on 12-20 shooting, 8-13 from three, 9 rebounds, and 2 assists.

Not too bad for a guy who wasn't good enough to play at Bradley.

[Da Coach]

Not too bad for a guy who wasn't good enough to play at Bradley.

The roster was pretty stacked back then bigjimmy.

[MacabreMob]

Not too bad for a guy who wasn't good enough to play at Bradley.

I don't know anything about his recruiting.... but he was passed by from 150 or more DI programs likely better than Valpo at the time.

But what bothers me the most is... people think Bradley passed on him. Maybe we did. But I also gotta think about the situation from Alec's point of view.... and later learning about the garbage pile of a program Bradley was running at the time with the inmates running the asylum.... I gotta think Alec probably passed on Bradley not wanting to be any part of the garbage pile knowing he wasn't gonna help the garbage pile get better and knowing the garbage pile wasn't gonna help him get better.

The garbage pile needed to be burnt and disposed of before it could get better and attract better players to build this program.

[bigjimmy]

I don't know anything about his recruiting.... but he was passed by from 150 or more DI programs likely better than Valpo at the time.

But what bothers me the most is... people think Bradley passed on him. Maybe we did. But I also gotta think about the situation from Alec's point of view.... and later learning about the garbage pile of a program Bradley was running at the time with the inmates running the asylum.... I gotta think Alec probably passed on Bradley not wanting to be any part of the garbage pile knowing he wasn't gonna help the garbage pile get better and knowing the garbage pile wasn't gonna help him get better.

The garbage pile needed to be burnt and disposed of before it could get better and attract better players to build this program.

While I don't disagree with your premise I know both Peters and Brett Bisping wanted to come here but were told to look elsewhere.

[MacabreMob]

While I don't disagree with your premise I know both Peters and Brett Bisping wanted to come here but were told to look elsewhere.

Ok... and so... maybe "being told to look elsewhere" doesn't mean he wasn't "good" enough for Bradley... maybe told to go elsewhere cause coaching staff knew he wouldn't fit in the program... and at that time, the program was a steaming pile run by the inmates.

So being told to look elsewhere supports my theory that the program wasn't too good for Alec... the program was not his style and coaching staff was not recruiting his style. The coaching staff was recruiting inmates to run the asylum.

[tornado]

I don't know anything about his recruiting.... but he was passed by from 150 or more DI programs likely better than Valpo at the time.

But what bothers me the most is... people think Bradley passed on him. Maybe we did. But I also gotta think about the situation from Alec's point of view.... and later learning about the garbage pile of a program Bradley was running at the time with the inmates running the asylum.... I gotta think Alec probably passed on Bradley not wanting to be any part of the garbage pile knowing he wasn't gonna help the garbage pile get better and knowing the garbage pile wasn't gonna help him get better.

The garbage pile needed to be burnt and disposed of before it could get better and attract better players to build this program.

Jim was actively recruiting Alec, who was only a sophomore when JL was fired - but then Alec was snubbed right away & never got a look or a phone call.
I don't think anyone can say what would have happened but a lot of people were stumped as to why the decision was made so early on that Geno simply didn't want anything to do with Peters. but as Mac said, lots of programs have recruiting misses, and lots missed on Alec.

I don't think you can define any program or coach by one or two recruiting misses, but when a program has as many recruiting misses as Bradley did from 2011-2015 then it becomes a bit more fair to define the program as horrible. We didn't just miss on not getting the talented kids, we missed horribly on every kid we did get, including repeatedly bringing in kids that couldn't even play the position they were recruited to play (Fields/PG, Zecevic/SG, Barnes/PF) and kids who were UNEXPECTEDLY found after they were on scholarship to have run out of eligibility & our staff didn't know about it (Blake) or couldn't transfer academics and thus never were eligible to play (Amerson) or were just terrible DI players or always getting into trouble off the court (Jones). The only thing that kept the Glasser/Cross/Geno bunch from going 2-29 all those years was that they still had a bevy of smart & talented DI kids left over from when Ford got here (Taylor Brown, Walt Lemon, Will Egolf, Dyricus, Eastman, etc.)

[Da Coach]

Ftr, a couple of Geno's own assistants wanted to pursue Peters, and as bigjimmy said, he wanted Bradley to offer. It was Geno who firmly believed he wasn't athletic enough to play for him and put the brakes on recruiting him.

[tornado]

Not even being reported yet by a single US source - so we have it first...

Alec Peters had signed a lucrative deal with the TOP pro team in Europe, and one of the top pro teams outside of the NBA, CSKA Moscow..

Many Euro contracts have an opt-out clause if he makes an NBA roster this fall - but if he doesn't he will be doing very well for himself


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Prediction - I think Alec will do well enough with CSKA Moscow that he will catch the eye of other NBA teams who know the value of a guy that can shoot 44% from the arc and score 35 points in a game. I believe he will be back in the NBA before it all over - altho salaries on CSKA are the highest in all of European basketball - so it might be hard for the NBA to pry him loose (like it was for Anthony Parker, too)

[PhiAlphaBoy]

Not even being reported yet by a single US source - so we have it first...

CONGRATULATIONS!