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  • #31
    So if 4 years is not enough to show you can win, you're saying Bradley shouldn't have fired Geno Ford?
    There are lots of coaches who are fired after 4 years of losing, some even sooner.

    Moser's record at ISU was terrible- 10-19, 17-13, 9-19, 15-16. 3 losing seasons out of 4, and 2 in a row before he was fired. And his MVC record was even worse- 4-14, 8-10, 4-14, 6-12- 4 horrible losing seasons, including 2 last place finishes and one next-to-last place finish in the MVC. You don't think by year 4 he should have been better than 6-12 in the MVC (1 game out of last place)? ISU fans and their AD rightfully did. That last season, he had all those same players you claim were responsible for winning the next year, yet Moser couldn't do better than one game out of last place in the MVC. Jankovich came in and his first year with the same players won 25 games, the most wins in ISU history. I'd say it was a pretty good move. There is absolutely nothing that suggests Moser would have somehow miraculously turned into a great coach overnight and done better with those same players. In fact, the evidence suggests the opposite, that he would have underachieved, like he did his other 4 years there.
    A lot of smart basketball people think Moser was constantly outcoached and beaten by teams with less talent.

    Moser should thank the ISU AD. Because he was fired when he was (2007), he happened to be offered a spot on the new staff of first year head coach Rick Majerus at St. Louis. That would not have happened if he was not fired that year. Even Moser talks constantly about and attributes his experience with Majerus as the greatest influence on him becoming a better coach.

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    • #32
      I see a difference...
      .. in the 4th year at ISU Porter clearly had good talent...like I said - the entire starting five were solid players - Eldridge just a freshman - maybe given them a chance..plus he had Justin Dentmon, Dodie Dunson, Lorenzo Gordon - all quality players who WERE SIGNED but failed to make it to ISU or left way early...
      Geno in his 4th year barely had any DI talent - everyone saw that, PLUS he wasn't even close to signing anyone for the next year either.

      Porter's last year he was 15-16, a big improvement from the year before - with a few key wins (at St. John's..) and he even got votes for MVC Coach of the Year! (even got one 2nd place vote)
      In firing him, they had to buy out THREE remaining years but they did it anyway under odd circumstances under pressure form a couple big money boosters..

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      • #33
        That is all a matter of opinion. The opinion of those who counted, just like at Bradley in 2015, is that he wasn't a very good coach and needed to go. The change lead to 25, 24, and 22-win seasons at ISU.

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        • #34
          the change also led to nothing more than a couple failed NIT appearances for ISU but a FINAL FOUR appearance by Loyola..

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          • #35
            Well, if you believe Porter Moser would have taken ISU to the Final Four if they had kept him, I would bet you are the only one who buys that.

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            • #36
              you really don't like the guy do you?

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              • #37
                I like him, but that is not a relevant factor. Just stating facts. He wasn't a very good coach at ISU, and his firing was justified. He had a losing record after 4 seasons, and finished next-to-last in his 4th year, a standard that many schools use to evaluate the success of their coach. And I have never met a single ISU fan who was sorry to see him go. It is a bit of a stretch to believe he would have suddenly turned things around 180?° if they had kept him.
                I am glad to see he is finally having success after 14 years as a head coach. In his first 13 seasons, he never finished higher than 5th place in his conference, and he has had 10 straight years of sub-.500 conference records prior to this season. He also has had 4 last place finishes in his previous 13 years, 3 of them in the MVC. Can you name any other MVC coach in history that has finished dead last 3 different times?
                Even including his 15-3 record this season in the MVC, his career MVC record is just 64-98.

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                • #38
                  Loyola

                  Hey Tornado,haven't you figured out this dacoach
                  Guy who thinks he knows it all and can't say anything nice about anyone in the valley other then Bradley.Go Ramblers but I bet this dacoach guy hopes they lose.

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                  • #39
                    Huh? Carter, you must not read this board very much.

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                    • #40
                      I am on here alot and don't agree with you most of the time because you are always so hateful and negative toward people who do not agree with you.I like other people's opinions however.I did want to know since you hate Wichita St and Greg Marshall do you feel the same way about all the other schools who have left the Valley over the years?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by carter View Post
                        I am on here alot and don't agree with you most of the time because you are always so hateful and negative toward people who do not agree with you.I like other people's opinions however.I did want to know since you hate Wichita St and Greg Marshall do you feel the same way about all the other schools who have left the Valley over the years?


                        Carter, you are just plain wrong or have me confused with another poster (gee, I wonder who that could be?).
                        I have rarely ever posted any opinions about Wichita State or Gregg Marshall.
                        I ask you back up your claims, and show any example of where I exhibited "hate" toward Wichita State, Gregg Marshall, or any other school or any other person here.
                        And I am 100% a fan of Loyola and of Porter Moser and what they have done this year. However, he was fired from ISU in 2007 because he just wasn't a very good coach back then, and didn't win. That is hardly disputable.
                        I have no animosity toward anyone. My posts are almost all purely factual.


                        Here, I'll make it easier for you. Here are my last 20,000 posts, can you show me where all this abundance of "hate" is? It should be really easy, since you claim I am "always so hateful and negative toward people who do not agree with" me. There should be innumerable examples-


                        And in case you don't know, tornado and I are brothers, and are just kidding with each other. We do that a lot, but you should know that since you are "on here alot".

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                        • #42
                          yeah DC... you need to calm down or we may have to report you to the authorities of this fan board.
                          Compete. Defend. Rebound. Win.

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                          • #43
                            ESPN article today on "how to beat Loyola" leverages Bradley's 1/31/18 win as a point of instruction:

                            How to beat them: Multiple coaches said that being physical -- at both ends of the floor -- is the biggest key to beating Loyola. The Ramblers have been strong enough to handle most opponents this season, but the teams remaining are going to be bigger and more athletic than what Loyola is used to.

                            "I think you're going to have to get physical," one coach said. "A team that can really guard them at all four spots. They rely a lot on dribble penetration for one another. Getting back on defense, taking them out of transition. Keeping them out of the lane, contest shots.

                            "Bradley beat them on the glass, second and third opportunities, really got physical with them. They're so comfortable playing small. They'd rather be small and quick. They've been able to mitigate that disadvantage by switching. If somebody who's physical and athletic enough to take that away from them ... they have some guys who can beat off the dribble."
                            Compete. Defend. Rebound. Win.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Dub View Post
                              yeah DC... you need to calm down or we may have to report you to the authorities of this fan board.
                              Please have mercy! I think I am already on probation.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Dub View Post
                                ESPN article today on "how to beat Loyola" leverages Bradley's 1/31/18 win as a point of instruction:

                                How to beat them: Multiple coaches said that being physical -- at both ends of the floor -- is the biggest key to beating Loyola. The Ramblers have been strong enough to handle most opponents this season, but the teams remaining are going to be bigger and more athletic than what Loyola is used to.

                                "I think you're going to have to get physical," one coach said. "A team that can really guard them at all four spots. They rely a lot on dribble penetration for one another. Getting back on defense, taking them out of transition. Keeping them out of the lane, contest shots.

                                "Bradley beat them on the glass, second and third opportunities, really got physical with them. They're so comfortable playing small. They'd rather be small and quick. They've been able to mitigate that disadvantage by switching. If somebody who's physical and athletic enough to take that away from them ... they have some guys who can beat off the dribble."
                                ...and you know Michigan is watching that game right now taking note of how BU beat them.

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