Transfers & Grad Transfers

[tornado]

A Wisconsin kid from just outside Milwaukee, Marcus Domask -
who had been committed and signed to Northern Kentucky - has reopened his recruitment after the coaching change there
..he is getting a lot of MVC interest - https://twitter.com/Evan_Flood/statu...14597429288962
https://www.wiscnews.com/bdc/sports/...d705a7316.html

Domask is 2019 Wisconsin Mr. Basketball

[tornado]

That is a proposed rule change that applies only to 5th year grad-transfers. It is not yet official. It was proposed, and will be voted on Friday, 4/19-
https://www.ibj.com/articles/73358-t...strain-schools..

the newly proposed rule for grad transfers does not have the votes and did not pass

BUT - NCAA did alter the transfer rules for most other players - with the possibility of immediate eligibility.
Certain incoming freshmen and walk-ons who transfer will not have to sit out a year.
https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources...transfer-rules


one more name - Austin Trice, a Chicago Morgan Park & Hales Franciscan kid who went to Wabash Valley CC and was the
#5 ranked juco player nationally - averaged 13 pts & 12 rebs
is leaving Kansas State and transferring after not getting much chance to play behind Wade & Sneed...

[ihatetea]

This could be more of an issue with the one and done disappearing in the near future. Coaches at power conference schools with a top 30 recruit could see that player unexpectedly going into the draft late in the process. In the past that usually meant their options for filling the late opening scholarship were less than exciting players. With the current transfer environment, I could see grad transfers filling those spots instead.

[Da Coach]

This rule would hurt the big schools the most, so they would not want it to pass. The mid-majors have been calling for some kind of change in the grad-transfer rule for several years. A mid-major school could be devastated by the transfer of a top player(s) leading into their final year of eligibility and can destroy a team's chances of success the following season. In addition, these grad-transfers occur well after the season ends and even sometimes after the signing period when it is virtually impossible for a coach to recruit another player who can contribute. So in addition to having to play the following season without a star player, they may be screwed again by being stuck with the unused scholarship and have to play shorthanded.

[Tommy]

The 32 Division I conferences will vote, but there is some kind of "weighting" given to the bigger conferences.

Of course they are. What a load of crap.

[Da Coach]

That is a proposed rule change that applies only to 5th year grad-transfers. It is not yet official. It was proposed, and will be voted on Friday, 4/19-
https://www.ibj.com/articles/73358-t...strain-schools

I believe the rules for all other transfers will stay the same.

It was mentioned here a couple weeks ago-
https://www.bradleyfans.com/forum/sp...380#post485380

The 32 Division I conferences will vote, but there is some kind of "weighting" given to the bigger conferences. CBS Sports has polled some of the big conferences and they do not believe the proposed rule change will pass-
https://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...ected-to-pass/

[bradleyfan124]

The NCAA is correcting it's transfer rule according to the Peoria Urinal. They are going to hit schools for 2 years pf scholarships instead of one if a kid wants to transfer. Interesting!!!

[tornado]

The battle for the solid transfers is getting fierce....even 8-9 ppg scorers are getting interest from power-conference schools...
..the success of transfer kids like Matt Mooney at Texas Tech and last year Michigan making a run all the way to the Championship game in the NCAA Tourney with Charles Matthews and Duncan Robinson (a DIII transfer!) have caused a whole lot of Power Conference schools to vigorously shop the transfer market.

Bradley had been recruiting a Jacksonville transfer JD Notae - https://www.bradleyfans.com/forum/sp...107#post485107
but now he's getting Big 12 & SEC offers...


Derrick Smits who just left Valpo is now getting pursued by Arizona State, NC State, Butler - and taking visits there- https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/sta...72397432557570

[Da Coach]

Sorry, but you have erroneous information and my statement is provably true.
Here are the complete official Marquette stats-
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...stats/_/id/269

Markus Howard averaged 25.03 ppg, and scored a total of 851 points in 34 games.
Sam Hauser averaged 14.91 ppg and a total of 507 points in 34 games.
Joey Hauser averaged 9.68 ppg and a total of 329 points in 34 games.

No matter what math you use, Howard scored more points and had a higher average than both Hausers combined, despite being double-teamed every game. Just as I said.

And you are also wrong about the number of shots. Howard took fewer shots than the Hausers combined. The fact he scored more points than both Hausers combined despite taking fewer shots means Howard is a more efficient scorer. He deserves to be taking more shots. He is clearly the better player. You are free to claim he is a ball hog and a gunner, but most coaches would want him taking most shots. Was Hersey Hawkins a ball hog?

[tornado]

...Howard averaged more points per game than both Hausers combined. Yet, the Hausers actually took more shots than Howard did! ...

this is false, so what point are you trying to make with false info?

Howard averaged 24.9 - the Hausers averaged 15.1 and 9.8 which by my math equals 24.9 - so you are wrong
Howard scored 821 points - the Hausers scored 497 and 324 points which by my math equals 821 shots...


anyway - if Howard is taking as many shots as the next two best players COMBINED, then shouldn't he be scoring more points?? But he is not..... case closed

[Da Coach]

So you find one single anonymous post that you agree with, and proclaim that it represents "most of MU fans"?
Just read the rest of the posts. Actually, most other posters on that board put the blame on the Hausers like this one.
Maybe Sam and Joey, who have been the "stars" their whole lives, are the divas if they can't deal with being upstaged

And this one-
The problem is that the Hauser brothers are a lot more selfish than we ever realized. Markus is the Big East player of the year – we should be giving him the ball in crunch time.

Howard averaged more points per game than both Hausers combined. Yet, the Hausers actually took more shots than Howard did! So just who is the gunner?
Using your twisted definition, you'd define Hersey Hawkins is the biggest gunner in Bradley history, which nobody would agree with.
And if you watched any Marquette games, you'd know that Howard was the star and was far more valuable to the team, and much more responsible for their success than either Hauser was. No surprise the coach's offense revolved around Howard and not Sam or Joey Hauser.

And your statement-

not one significant player ever left Bradley because of Hersey or DB

...actually is making my point for me. Of course no Bradley player ever bolted because one of Bradley's great players was getting more shots. That would be dumb and selfish. Yet that is exactly what the Hausers are doing.

Most players want to play the style that their coach teaches, even if it means not getting free reign to take any shot they want.
OTOH, the reason the Hausers are leaving Marquette appears to be just so they can get more shots elsewhere for their own glory. They are not interested in playing for the coach they committed to. They don't seem to care that Marquette will be favored to win the Big East, be highly ranked, and they are virtually certain to return to the NCAA Tournament. Isn't that what players dream of? But they only want to have it their way, and take more shots for themselves. That is their prerogative.

[tornado]

well, it is obviously a ridiculously flawed comparison since not one significant player ever left Bradley because of Hersey or DB
and excessive ball-hogging & gunning at a 25-30% rate never happened here like it did at Marquette...
Most of the Marquette people including some claiming to have "connections" also agree-

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=8e7de6fdaac0a5c1164712c05985975b&topic=58623.0

either way - nobody has proof - it's just talk- https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?PH...&topic=58627.0

[Da Coach]

It was just an example of a similar situation. Markus Howard is like Marquette's Hersey Hawkins. He was their star and most consistent scorer, and he was voted the 2019 Big East Conference Player of the Year.-
https://www.bigeast.com/news/2019/3/...-the-year.aspx

He is the guy you want taking the most shots. So to blame him for the Hausers leaving seems like a backward way of looking at the Marquette situation.
Should every kid transfer just because someone else gets more shots and scores more points? Whatever happened to playing as a team with the goal to win? Marquette would have been the consensus pick to win the Big East next season if they all returned. But the Hausers seem to care less about winning and more about being the star and getting more accolades than win as a team. It's their choice what they want, but if that makes sense, then Nate and Elijah would be much better off transferring out of Bradley, because they will probably not be the top scorer here next year.

[bradleyfan124]

Markus Howard is the major reason Marquette won 24 games. He is one of the top shooting guards in the country. He passed up a near-certain 1st round draft slot to return to Marquette for his senior season. Nearly every Marquette fan would gladly trade the Hauser brothers for another year of having Howard at Marquette.
Howard averaged 25 ppg and shot over 40% from three despite being double-teamed every game. In fact, Howard being double-teamed is a major reason the Hausers put up pretty good numbers. He lead them in scoring in 2/3 of their games. And he was not a one dimensional gunner. He lead the team in assists by a wide margin, despite being a shooting guard, not a point guard. He got to the free throw line almost 8 times per game and shot almost 90% from the line. He also averaged 4.0 rebounds per game, not bad for a shooting guard. He also is a good defensive player, and lead the team in steals.
The problem at Marquette is not Markus Howard. It is the father of the Hauser brothers who wasn't satisfied that his boys weren't the top stars.

Using that strange logic, Elijah Childs and Nate Kennell should leave Bradley and transfer because Darrell Brown takes more shots than they do.
And the great 1986 Bradley team had very good players other than Hersey Hawkins. Should Jim Les and Mike Williams have bolted for another school because they didn't like Hersey Hawkins taking more shots?

I don't think we are comparing the same situation. I don't think Brown shoots all the time. I think he plays with the offense the Coach sets up. I was just hearing the reason they were leaving is the Markus kid shot all the time. I should not venture an opinion because I have not seen him play. The coach should be setting up the offense and if the kid shoots all the time then it is because the coach lets him. I am more of a team player. Now having said that I thought Pete Maravich was one of the greatest players of all time and yet he shot the ball most of the time. He pretty much made LSU a house hold name. But you mentioned a problem I think alot of coaches have. A parent that wants their kids to be the star player. That throws another negative ingredient into the mix.

[Da Coach]

They were a very good team who picked a bad time to have a 4 game losing streak and then were upset by a really good Murray State team. Do you believe that's never happened before? It doesn't warrant a dark conspiracy theory. It's simple. The Hausers dad was unhappy because his kids weren't the best players on the team and Coach Wojo didn't revolve the offense around them, so they are transferring. It happens all the time.