More players named by FBI as having received payoffs including Wichita State and Creighton players

[tornado]

New bombshell revelations every day

Today it is a leak of info from FBI testimony that former NC State had coach Mark Gottfried handed envelops with cash
directly to the middlemen to deliver to the recruits...flat-out PAY TO PLAY
Gottfried was just hired by Cal State Northridge - so they better start looking for another coach...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26198799/gottfried-directly-linked-payments

[Da Coach]

Looks like Greg McDermott of Creighton has targeted one of his assistant coaches, Preston Murphy to take the fall for their involvement in the college basketball cheating and pay for play scandal-
https://hoopdirt.com/creightons-murp...trative-leave/

I don't buy for a second that Murphy was acting solo. The rest of the staff, including McDermott surely knew what was going on.
The other assistants under McDermott include Alan Huss, who formerly coached at a couple prep schools: La Lumiere and Culver Prep and who was hired a couple years ago to help channel talented prep players to Creighton. Other Creighton assistants are Paul Lusk, who was head coach at Missouri State until a year ago, and Steve Merfeld, who was head coach at Evansville and assistant coach for a couple years at Bradley under Jim Les. I suspect they all were involved.

[Da Coach]

Here is another cheating scandal that only peripherally involves athletics. Wealthy people, including some celebrities bribing University officials, including athletic coaches to get their kids into exclusive schools. They are even alleged to have paid surrogates to take SAT tests for their kids, and bribed coaches to award athletic scholarships to their kids for rowing teams, badminton teams, etc., even though their kids never played those sports!
https://tvline.com/2019/03/12/felici...-league-bribe/

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Numerous coaches from several schools are charged - some are said to have pocketed $ millions
to place talentless, unqualified kids on their squads as scholarship athletes
Yale, Georgetown, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Texas, Wake Forest ... pretty impressive list of schools & coaches caught cheating
https://www.si.com/more-sports/2019/...ribery-scandal

[Tommy]

This is all very disappointing, but let's be honest, this has got to be nearly impossible to control. Beyond that, these Universities are already making so much money off of the major sports that I honestly think the kids should be able to be paid. This is a free market, after all (unless you're the NCAA), so I guess for me, I'd like to see our law enforcement agencies working to bust sex traffickers and drug dealers instead of worrying about college kids trying to earn some money for services rendered.

And as far as letting parents pay to get their non-athletic kids placed on college teams goes, I say go for it. If a university wants to water down their team with untalented kids to get some cash, more power to them. Just make it all legal and get it out in the open. In the long run, teams that do this will pay a price one way or another, so let the chips fall where they may.

And seriously, how silly would you look as the kid who paid for a spot on the team if people find out? Very silly is the answer to that question.

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but doesn't this kind of stuff go on all the time at lower levels...
At our kids' school - it seems the children of the school board members ALWAYS make the team while others who appear more qualified get cut...
We actually had a thread recently about that - LINK

Money talks but so does influence...

[Stryker]

This is all very disappointing, but let's be honest, this has got to be nearly impossible to control. Beyond that, these Universities are already making so much money off of the major sports that I honestly think the kids should be able to be paid. This is a free market, after all (unless you're the NCAA), so I guess for me, I'd like to see our law enforcement agencies working to bust sex traffickers and drug dealers instead of worrying about college kids trying to earn some money for services rendered.

And as far as letting parents pay to get their non-athletic kids placed on college teams goes, I say go for it. If a university wants to water down their team with untalented kids to get some cash, more power to them. Just make it all legal and get it out in the open. In the long run, teams that do this will pay a price one way or another, so let the chips fall where they may.

And seriously, how silly would you look as the kid who paid for a spot on the team if people find out? Very silly is the answer to that question.

from my understanding it wasn’t the Universities thatvwere getting bribed to let these rich kids in, it was just a couple administrators or coaches etc. the schools weren’t getting any money. Heck, it seems the way for a rich kid to get in is to have their parents make a large donation to the school, but apparently the schools don’t care about that as much anymore when it comes to making exceptions in their admissions departments. So these parents resorted to bribing coaches and other admin staff.


In regards to the Creighton stuff, I always find it amazing that head coaches seem to be able to brush off this stuff and blame it on an assistant. It’s nuts that will fly with people today. I can’t imagine a scenario where the head coach is unaware of one of their assistant coaches doing this stuff. They absolutely are.

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yes- the corruption was two-fold -
some college coaches were taking payments to place unqualified kids on the teams
..and some highers-up insiders were jacking the system to fake test results and get otherwise unqualified kids into schools and/or on scholarship
the money was coming NOT from the shoe companies this time but from ultra-wealthy parents who wanted their kids in prestigious schools and on the sports teams.

[nafstrops]

I got a question....

if Fred Van Vleet (2012-2016) and Landry Shamet (2015-2018 ) were both paid either before they got to Wichita or while the were playing there -
then that would mean they were ineligible as professionals and it would quite possibly void every win Wichita has accumulated in that span (2012-2018 )

That would be 177 wins vacated & wiped off the record books for playing athletes that were ineligible due to professionalism...

If Wichita was still in the MVC you know NCAA would do this in a heartbeat...but it will be interesting to see if they come down hard now that Wichita is in among the big boys....

You are a bitter man. If your interested and I doubt you are, these are the facts.

Fred Van Vleet took a small amount of money from an agent approximately 1 month before he played his last game for WSU. Shocker fans are not happy that he did that but it really has nothing to do with the program. In fact it is just another indication of what a clean program WSU has. If he were or ever had been paid by WSU he certainly wouldn't be taking what amounted to peanuts from an agent at that point in his career.

Shocker fans have no worry about NCAA sanctions as nothing has surfaced to indicate any violation by WSU. We won big and played fair.

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Also, it wouldn't surprise me if Shamet took some money from an agent a short time before he left WSU. These are players that were going to the NBA and about to make millions. There is not much a school can do to prevent this besides tell them they shouldn't. This is not buying players.

[tornado]

not bitter - discussing facts - but, appreciate your opinions...
and it's not like Wichita isn't familiar with cheating - https://www.kansas.com/sports/colleg...e17990345.html


also - Shocker people obsessing whether they are on the bubble for the NIT

https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wichita-state/article227690204.html

[nafstrops]

not bitter - discussing facts - but, appreciate your opinions...
and it's not like Wichita isn't familiar with cheating - https://www.kansas.com/sports/colleg...e17990345.html


also - Shocker people obsessing whether they are on the bubble for the NIT
https://www.kansas.com/sports/colleg...227690204.html

Yes, the baseball office gave players the same discount the university received on merchandise. I just hope the punishment of all the teams in the present scandal is on the same level as what WSU got for this. If they do, there will be a lot of death penalties handed out. Of course we both know they won't.

On the NIT. If we win the first game and beat Temple in the second probably 50/50 on the NIT. I'd say about 35% chance of beating Temple. Lost in OT at home this year.

Congratulations to the Braves by the way. I have always been a fan of that program.

[tornado]

thanks - we still think the MVC is a nice place to be -
MVC is 4-1 in NCAA Tournament play since the departure of Wichita and we hope to improve on that shortly

[Da Coach]

from my understanding it wasn’t the Universities thatvwere getting bribed to let these rich kids in, it was just a couple administrators or coaches etc. the schools weren’t getting any money. Heck, it seems the way for a rich kid to get in is to have their parents make a large donation to the school, but apparently the schools don’t care about that as much anymore when it comes to making exceptions in their admissions departments. So these parents resorted to bribing coaches and other admin staff.


In regards to the Creighton stuff, I always find it amazing that head coaches seem to be able to brush off this stuff and blame it on an assistant. It’s nuts that will fly with people today. I can’t imagine a scenario where the head coach is unaware of one of their assistant coaches doing this stuff. They absolutely are.

If a kid has pretty good grades and fairly high test scores, then a big donation from the parents can help get their kid admitted. But the fact they chose to cheat,falsify medical records to get special consideration bribe coaches, or pay someone to take the SAT tests, it seems obvious that their kids were so far below the academic standards the school has that it was the only possible way to get their kids admitted.

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Creighton gets knocked out of the Big East Tournament in their first game

https://twitter.com/RobsBrackets19/status/1106309784960143360

NIT-bound