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Originally posted by wily coyote
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Let me ask this instead, based on your experience, if you were 50+ feet away from the action, but you thought you saw something that would result in a technical, would you not confer with the official on top of the play to see what he saw? -
You've asked a very good question. There are 3 officials on every game and each is responsible for certain areas of the floor depending on which area they are in. Hope that makes sense but it is the way the game is called. First let me make sure we all agree the person closest to that play DID NOT make a call. That doesn't mean there wasn't anything there for him to call because on this play he flat out missed it. The closest official to the play should have been the one with the call. The only way officials would confer on this call is if two had it different and in this case there was not two whistles so zero need to ask for help.. Pollard was positive what he had and there was no reason to confer with the guy closest because he didn't have a whistle. I haven't done a real good job answering your question because in almost 2000 games that never happened. You call what you see not what you think you see and that's exactly what Pollard did. Maybe the best way to answer your question is , you would NEVER blow your whistle then ask another official what he saw when he didn't have a whistle. That would just never happen. Hope that helps bottom line is the closest official to the play should have had the taunting but Pollard got it right. Still can't believe i'm backing Pollard because he's far from my favorite.Originally posted by egib52 View PostComment
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there was a directive from NCAA to refs this season to be more vigilant on calls for taunting, and I suspect most fans have observed that technicals for taunting are increased in number in both football and basketballComment
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The reason for the directive is that things can escalate very quickly from taunting and good things just don't happen from those situations. Preventive officiating is a very good tool for keeping games under control.Originally posted by tornado View PostComment
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so wily, you are saying that sometimes they call a specific act a technical when something needs to be prevented, and other times they do not?Comment
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No I'm not saying that at all and especiallyOriginally posted by tornado View Post
in the case we're dissecting. There was no way to prevent that. An example of preventive officiating would be to stop immediately any talk that goes on between players that could lead to future problems. I'm sure where you sit you've seen officials take two players aside and have a little chat with them. That's exactly what they're doing. I also used an example of the young man I told that I was keeping one eye on him and the other eye on the other nine in another post. Never had another problem with that kid or either team the rest of the game. This was the second meeting between these same two teams and they had a big time brawl the first time they met . Technicals are not to be handed out to prevent something that hasn't happened but when a part of the rule book that calls for a technical has been violated then they should be administered in accordance with the rule book. Lets get a win tonight and hope Pollard is not on the game.Comment
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but from what I am hearing, the refs were requested to start calling "T"'s on situations that they had previously been NOT calling them...
so the refs turned UP their T-meter and started calling more.....
They wanted to be considered for the lucrative post-season jobs in the NCAA Tourney - they knew they'd better start calling MORE T's....because the refs DO get graded and evaluated.
They knew they had to start calling T's that they did not believe were T's but they had to alter their behavior and call them in order to get favorable reviews by NCAA.
This is what I am hearing.Comment
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I think the correct terminology in what your trying to say is "point of emphasis". Almost every year when the rule book comes out the rules committee will stress an area that has become troublesome and it becomes a Point of emphasis. I'm not saying your wrong because you may be right. All I'm saying in my 40 years I've never seen a point of emphasis telling officials to call more T's. Possibly could have happened but usually it's things like clean up the hand checking, or clean up rough post play, keep coaches in the coaches box and penalize taunting. You are correct officials are evaluated after every game and how they handle games do determine if their season continues with post season play. I have a hard time believing the criteria for getting post season assignments is by the number of T's one would call. Good officials use that penalty when it is necessary not go out of there way to call them. IMO any official that would go out of his or her way to assess a T where it's not merited to get a post season assignment is just as liable as any official who does not take care of business when he or she should. Neither situation should be working in the post season.Originally posted by tornado View PostLast edited by wily coyote; 02-15-2018, 03:52 PM.Comment
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"officials are evaluated after every game..."
That's interesting. How does the evaluation process work? Who does the evaluations? Who determines which officials work the MVC games? Do the schools get to participate in the selection of which officials work their games?Comment
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coaches and other officials & possibly independent evaluators who look over the stats or the tapesComment
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The coaches and schools have nothing to do with choosing officials for MVC conference games.
The MVC coordinator of officiating (Eddie Jackson) used to do the evaluating and booking of officials independently, and Jim Bain was the previous coordinator before he retired.
But since the beginning of the 2016-17 seasson, the MVC joined with 4 other conferences (Conference USA, Big 12, Ohio Valley, & Southland conferences) to form a consortium that does the booking and evaluating of officials for all 5 conferences. They do consider input from coaches when doing their evaluations, but they make the final decisions based on many factors (see bottom link).
Men's Basketball Officiating Consortium-
The consortium is headed by Curtis Shaw, the Big 12 coordinator of officiating for men's basketball, but MVC Coordinator of Officiating Eddie Jacson is involved with the group.
This memo released by the MVC has more explanation of the process-
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I don't think anyone ever said coaches choose the refs- where did you get that?
But the referees are rated and the ratings come from various sources
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NCAA referee Randy McCall used to do a lot of Valley games but now just does games on the west coast/Pac-12
ejected a cheerleader last night for saying something while an opponent was shooting free throws.
The ref was within his rights as the cheerleaders are not supposed to use their megaphones during FTs...but seriously.....the players are big boys and Bradley players and fans have been subjected to way, way worse on the road in the MVCComment
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