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Which may lead some to wonder which technique is better. Coaches are going to be remembered in 20 years for their won/loss record. Whether that is right or wrong depends on what you personally value.
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I saw your other post MVCFAN. Looks like it was deleted.Originally posted by mvcfan View PostCheering with pep and vim for the white and purple!Comment
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Rick Pitino will not be remembered for winning or losing...Originally posted by LongTimeFan View Post
he will be remembered for being the sleaziest recruiter in college basketball..
..followed closely by Dave Bliss, Kelvin Sampson, Bruce Pearl, Jim Harrick and Clem Haskins..Comment
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Completely agree. These coaches are a cancer within the NCAA. Still fascinates me that so many get chance after chance, because all that matters to a lot of the schools is the almighty dollar. A big reason why I am such a fan of the MVC. You don't typically have coaches like this who only care about winning.Originally posted by tornado View PostCheering with pep and vim for the white and purple!Comment
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We will agree to disagree. Wooden and Krzyzewski will be remember for their winning ways. Bradley's Orsborn will be remembered longer than Ford.Comment
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It's a shame Chuck Orsborn didn't coach just one more year because the NCAA record books require a minimum of 10 years to make their list, and he had 194 wins in 9 years with a .774 winning percentage. This is what the top 20 would look like if he coached one more year and maintained his same percentage. He is in there for 6th fastest to 100 wins.
Rank Coach W-L%
1. Sam Burton .8333
2. Clair Bee .8244
3. Adolph Rupp .8218
4. Mark Few .8193
5. John Wooden .8039
6. John Kresse .8012
7. Thomas Kibler .7962
8. Ralph Jones .7918
9. Jerry Tarkanian .7902
10. Roy Williams .7877
11. Al McGuire .7867
12. James Freeman .7830
13. Francis Schmidt .7818
14. Student Coaches .7813
15. John Calipari .7792
16. Dean Smith .7758
17. Chuck Orsborn .774
18. Mike Krzyzewski .7650
19. Bill Self .7649
20. Jack Ramsay .7647
From Wiki:
Orsborn returned to Bradley as an assistant coach from 1947 to 1956, which included two NCAA runner-up finishes. In 1956, he was elevated to head coach. From 1956 to 1965, he compiled a won-loss record of 194-56 (.774). During this time, the Braves won three NIT championships.[2] During this nine-year span, the Braves also earned six Associated Press top 20 finishes, Orsborn was named Missouri Valley Conference coach of the year in 1960 and 1962. Orsborn also has the distinction of recording his first 100 victories in 120 games, which is sixth on the all-time list for college coaches.[1]BRADLEY BASKETBALL
-2 NCAA Title Games
-3 NCAA Elite Eights
-4 NCAA Sweet 16s
-4 NIT ChampionshipsComment
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Originally posted by tornado View Post
I kind of disagree a little here...Pitino is in a different class than the others you have listed. I mean he's got his issues for sure but he's certainly thought of differently by most of the country than the other guys....I'm sure people will remember him for his sleaziness but others will say he was a great coach and I don't know that you have that many "normal" fans or otherwise to talk about how great the other guys are/wereComment
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ironic...maybe National Coach of the Year now?Originally posted by mtxe79 View Post
..and there's apparently people admiring all this and wishing Bradley recruited these guys...
sorry, I stand by my opinion, that this kind of recruiting is the cancer....and maybe it gave Muller a few wins and a game in the NIT - but seems despite the hype, all the big schools are still passing on him when they hire new coaches...
Maybe they know something more than a few fans do?
The biggest problem they have over there at ISU is the culture - and that's not gonna change any time soon...no discipline, inmates running the asylum.
They don't even seem to have a conscience about this kind of thing - they only answer when the media ask and say "we're handling it internally", then swept under the rug.
they recruit these guys KNOWING about their criminal history - the literally signed Akoon-Purcell the same time he was in court getting the sentencing for his felony battery conviction in Florida but that didn't matter to Muller, cuz the guy could score. Then more felonies last year- guys who were ON the roster...yet never a public mention...Comment
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Indiana State is reported to be signing Cameron Bacote, transfer from Maryland-Eastern Shore
2018
Bradley - Armon Brummett, Chudier Bile- signed (2 open scholarship- altho Aristide Boya may reclassify as 2018 )
Drake - Matt Gray, Garrett Sturtz (walk on), UAB transfer Nick Norton, grad-transfer Brady Ellingson, Liam Robbins, DJ Wilkins, Anthony & Tremell Murphy (3 scholarships open)
Evansville - Rosel Hurley, DeAndre Williams, Jawaun Newton, Shamar Samuels-Givance (may still have 3-4 open scholarships)
Illinois State - Rey Idowu*, Josh Jefferson, Zach Copeland- eligible 2018-19, Dedric Boyd, Jaycee Hillsman, Abdou Ndiaye, Keith Fisher Ilijah Donnelly - walk-on (0 scholarships open)
Indiana State - De'Avion Washington*, Blake Brinkmeyer*, Cooper Neese (transfer - eligible in 2018-19), Cameron Bacote (transfer, will sit out this coming year) (1 or possibly 2 scholarships open)
Loyola - Franklin Agunanne*, Isaiah Bujdoso*, Cooper Kaifes*, Tate Hall (transfer, not eligible until 2019), Tykei Greene, Will Adcock (walk-on) (2 open scholarships)
Missouri State - Kabir Mohammed* (juco), Jared Ridder (transfer not eligible until 2018 but won't sign a LOI), ** new - Darnell Butler, Jr., Keandre Cook, Szymon & Jan Wojcik (possibly 1 scholarship open)
UNI - AJ Green*, Shandon Goldman, Tray Croft, Trae Berhow (transfer, won't be available until 2019-20) (1 scholarship left)
SIU - Darius Beane*, Sam Shafer*, Amadou Fall* (** has not played yet this year), Jimmy Beane (oversigned, 0 scholarships open so someone currently on roster is losing their scholarship - ? Fall)
Valparaiso - Javon Freeman-Liberty*, Daniel Sackey, Langston Stalling - walk-on (2 open scholarships)
2019
Bradley - Aristide Boya (may reclassify as 2018 ) (7 open scholarships)
Evansville - (at least 5-6 open scholarships)
ISU - Dedric Boyd, Jaycee Hillsman, Keith Fisher - all three ineligible until fall of 2019 (2 scholarships)
Indiana State - Cameron Bacote (transfer will be eligible in 2019) (5 open scholarships)
Loyola - Tate Hall (transfer, eligible in 2019-2020) (4 open scholarships)
Missouri State - Tyem Freeman, Jamonta Black (3-4 open scholarships)
UNI - James Betz, Trae Berhhow (transfer, eligible in 2019-2020) (3 open scholarships)Comment
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Youre missing 1 for Indiana State. Transfer from Iowa. Eligible start of conference play like Neese.Originally posted by tornado View PostComment
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Thanks - Christian Williams, transfer from Iowa, will be eligible in 2018-19
Updated list of new guys for each MVC team....
2018
Bradley - Armon Brummett, Chudier Bile- signed (2 open scholarship- altho Aristide Boya may reclassify as 2018 )
Drake - Matt Gray, Garrett Sturtz (walk on), UAB transfer Nick Norton, grad-transfer Brady Ellingson, Liam Robbins, DJ Wilkins, Anthony & Tremell Murphy (3 scholarships open)
Evansville - Rosel Hurley, DeAndre Williams, Jawaun Newton, Shamar Samuels-Givance (may still have 3-4 open scholarships)
Illinois State - Rey Idowu*, Josh Jefferson, Zach Copeland- eligible 2018-19, Dedric Boyd, Jaycee Hillsman, Abdou Ndiaye, Keith Fisher Ilijah Donnelly - walk-on (0 scholarships open)
Indiana State - De'Avion Washington*, Blake Brinkmeyer*, Cooper Neese (transfer - eligible in 2018-19), Christian Williams (transfer, eligible in 2nd semester of 2018-2019), Cameron Bacote (transfer, will sit out this coming year) (1 or possibly 2 scholarships open)
Loyola - Franklin Agunanne*, Isaiah Bujdoso*, Cooper Kaifes*, Tate Hall (transfer, not eligible until 2019), Tykei Greene, Will Adcock (walk-on) (2 open scholarships)
Missouri State - Kabir Mohammed* (juco), Jared Ridder (transfer not eligible until 2018 but won't sign a LOI), ** new - Darnell Butler, Jr., Keandre Cook, Szymon & Jan Wojcik (possibly 1 scholarship open)
UNI - AJ Green*, Shandon Goldman, Tray Croft, Trae Berhow (transfer, won't be available until 2019-20) (1 scholarship left)
SIU - Darius Beane*, Sam Shafer*, Amadou Fall* (** has not played yet this year), Jimmy Beane (oversigned, 0 scholarships open so someone currently on roster is losing their scholarship - ? Fall)
Valparaiso - Javon Freeman-Liberty*, Daniel Sackey, Langston Stalling - walk-on (2 open scholarships)
2019
Bradley - Aristide Boya (may reclassify as 2018 ) (7 open scholarships)
Evansville - (at least 5-6 open scholarships)
ISU - Dedric Boyd, Jaycee Hillsman, Keith Fisher - all three ineligible until fall of 2019 (2 scholarships)
Indiana State - Cameron Bacote (transfer will be eligible in 2019) (5 open scholarships)
Loyola - Tate Hall (transfer, eligible in 2019-2020) (4 open scholarships)
Missouri State - Tyem Freeman, Jamonta Black (3-4 open scholarships)
UNI - James Betz, Trae Berhhow (transfer, eligible in 2019-2020) (3 open scholarships)Comment
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ISU guard Matt Hein "voluntarily" gives up his scholarship so that new juco recruit Keith Fisher can get a scholarship-Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
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...and like I selflessly & voluntarily sent a check to the IRS this tax season...
btw-- the SIU oversigned situation is solved...
Little used junior big man, Austin Weiher (0.5 ppg/0.3 rpg) is leaving...he has his degree and is eligible as a grad transferComment
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Evansville gets another late 2018 commit-
6'8" or 6'9" forward Will Becker from Smoky Hill High School in Aurora, Colorado. He averaged 9.8 points and 9.9 rebounds per game as a senior in HS.
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