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Box score for the Loyola Chicago Ramblers vs. Missouri State Bears NCAAM game from January 15, 2017 on ESPN. Includes all points, rebounds and steals stats.
Leading scorer for Loyola was Aundre Jackson with 22 points; leading scorer for MSU was Alize Johnson with 20 points. Both are juco transfers.
Alize Johnson is averaging 14.7 ppg in MVC play - good enough for 9th place in MVC play
Aundrae Jackson is averaging 10.7 ppg in MVC play - good enough for ~25th place in MVC play
20 of the top 25 scorers in MVC play are not juco players
we remain in a tie for 4th place in the MVC
but of the four teams tied at 3-3, we are the only one that owns the tiebreaker over the team in 3rd place
Trying to diminish what those guys (Alize Johnson, Aundre Jackson) have done using limited stats from only 5 or 6 MVC games is a little silly. Either one of those two would be stars on this current Bradley team. They will both be All MVC players at the end of this season, while Bradley will go yet another year without a single All MVC player (Bradley's last All MVC player was Jim Les recruit Walt Lemon, and it's nearing a decade since their last 1st team All-MVC player).
Alize Johnson leads the MVC in rebounding by a huge margin (10.1 rpg) and is in the top 10 in scoring and FG% (Bradley doesn't have anyone in the top 10).
And Aundre Jackson is averaging 14.6 ppg, tied with MiKyle McIntosh for 7th in the MVC and significantly more than any Bradley player. He also leads the MVC in shooting percentage by a huge margin (72%- next highest player who qualifies is Alize Johnson with 52.3%).
Bradley will not finish this season ahead of Loyola and Missouri State, who were bottom dwellers just a couple years ago. They have leapfrogged over several other teams by recruiting decent juco transfers, while teams that have mostly shunned jucos (Bradley, Drake, UNI) are likely to finish in bottom 3 or 4.
nobody's diminishing anyone- they are good players -
but to imply the list of top 20-25 scorers is packed with juco kids is a little of a stretch...
there is just one in the TOP 10, and are precisely four juco players in the Top 20 - Johnson at #10, Willis at #13, Rodriguez at #19, McMurray at #20
There are five juco kids in the Top 20 rebounders
When Chris Reynolds and Brian Wardle were hired, the Bradley fan base en masse demanded basically five things
-schedule better
-restore the fans' favorite events like the Itoo supper
-do not move all the games to the "girls gym"
-recruit better and stop bringing in talentless juco kids
-build a winning team
our staff heard the fans and have accomplished four of the five and are on the way to going 5 for 5
...to imply the list of top 20-25 scorers is packed with juco kids is a little of a stretch...
there is just one in the TOP 10, and are precisely four juco players in the Top 20 - Johnson at #10, Willis at #13, Rodriguez at #19, McMurray at #20
There are five juco kids in the Top 20 rebounders
I don't know what lists your looking at, but your numbers are not accurate.
Here are the stats for qualifying MVC players.
Scoring- there are 2 jucos in the top 10 (not 1), Johnson and Jackson, and there are 10 jucos in the top 30. I'd say that 10 jucos in the top 30 is quite amazing, considering Bradley has just 1 player in the top 25!
I count about 30 juco kids on rosters in the MVC
so since they make up a good hunk of the juniors and seniors on MVC rosters, they oughta show up in the stats..
but I sure see a whole lot more NON-juco juniors and seniors on the top scoring list..
in fact the TOP seven are non-juco juniors and seniors
but once again, for about the 12th time..
our staff has spent considerable time & resources trying to land some good juco kids, it's false to suggest we haven't done it...
maybe you're suggesting we shoulda gone harder after, say Hunter Rhodes??
You seemed to suggest UNI wasted their efforts landing him.
I think it is more reasonable to look at overall stats, since teams have only played 6 MVC games.
And if you are suggesting that the jucos do not pan out better and perform better than most freshman recruits, I beg to differ. How many jucos fail at an MVC school and end up transferring out? Almost never. Yet it happens to several 4-year recruits on every team, every year. And just the fact that there are not that many of them, they all seem to be contributing for their teams.
As I've noted, every other team in the MVC benefits from the occasional juco, as have most past Bradley teams. Do I need to name some of the guys like Tyshon Pickett, Taylor Brown, Dodie Dunson, Chris Roberts, Theron Wilson, Matt Salley, Will Franklin, Tony Bennett, Zach Andrews, Lawrence Wright, and Marcellus Sommerville. And those are just from the past 10 years or so and we haven't had any the last couple years.
And since we had no open scholarships, I doubt we were seriously recruiting Hunter Rhodes, or any of the jucos you seem to be suggesting we went after late, except maybe McSwain.
And for the 12th time, even Coach Wardle has repeatedly stated he does not want to recruit jucos, which looks like it will continue to contribute to the turnstile of players leaving every year and the continuous rebuilding.
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