Ryan Stipanovich/Elijah Childs tracker

[tornado]

Bradley Fan 49....These two recruits are not highly ranked in Missouri ..

wizard, I beg to differ..
In Missouri's Class of 2017 - (which isn't necessarily strong or deep) -- one of the main & most widely recruiting services (scout.com)
has Elijah Childs AND Ryan Stipanovich inside their TOP 6 players
and the other service - Rivals.com had them ranked #1 & #2 just a few weeks ago!!

http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?p=825128072#post825128072

scout.com ranks both Ryan & Elijah in the Top 6 players in Missouri for 2017
Rivals allows you to sort more precisely and actually has Elijah Childs ranked #1 and Ryan Stipanovich ranked #2 believe it or not
https://n.rivals.com/search#?formVal...257D%257D%257D

[wizard1]

Ryan Stipanovich/elijah childs tracker

t....Bless your heart! Your enthusiasm and positive outlook is great and I fervently hope you are correct about the 2 recruits. However, I continue to be just a little pessimistic. Here's why:
1. Do you think they are much better than Ronnie Suggs who probably will not be at BU next year or better than Jo Jo?
2.My latest check on Scout.com shows Ryan S. to be ranked #315 as a 2 star recruit and Childs is not listed but is also shown as a 2 star.
3. In checking out the latest Missouri state rankings, neither guy was in the top 6 in Missouri.
4. Rivals does not have childs in their top 150.
5. Could either of these guys play in the Big 10 or the Big 12 not even as starters but as on-the-bench role players?
Again, I hope I am wrong but I've seen this scenario repeated too many times over the many years I've been involved with BU Basketball.
Wiz

[ihatetea]

Rivals has childs as a 3 star recruit. I think he will be good but I'm not sold on stipanovich. I'm not sure we can get our panties in too much of a bunch over these guys sight unseen. We are not good enough of a program over the last 7 years to get consensus studs out of high school. There has been a lot of damage done.

[tornado]

all I can say is we cleaned 'em out and hired Wardle, so I plan to let him bring in his players and give him a chance...
Nobody hates losing any more than I do but but cannot imagine we'd be above .500 any time for the next decade if we panic now and start making horrible moves.
I think we are getting upset when it doesn't seem very productive to do so...


Yesterday - with about 15 minutes left in the game, a season ticket holder I talked to got exasperated and "gave up" on the outcome of the game --
I guess he's entitled to do what he wants but I think he realizes now he was wrong.

Second- even if we played a little better and won maybe 3 more of the games that we were close - we'd be 8-8, in 4-5th place and still would have to face Wichita in our 2nd game in St. Louis - and our season would end - pretty much the same scenario we face right now...and people would still be complaining..

When we've won earlier this year it was when our opponent played poorly (SIU shot 2-26, UE shot 12-51, Drake shot 7-27), but yesterday Evansville played pretty well - scored more than their averages, shot better than their averages, Jaylon Brown went for 22, they got a lot of the calls early, only had 10 turnovers to our 20 and held the lead most of the game...
but we did exactly what people are asking our guys to do - they didn't give up, they came back, hit shots, made FTs, got stops, stayed focused and they won.
I just wanna make the case that they are improving, and they are all freshmen & sophs & the best is yet to come.

[Da Coach]

I have no problem if fans are trying to be optimistic, and like to point only to the 10 wins, with a weaker non-conference schedule and a weaker MVC, as a sign of improvement.
However, looking more deeply, I think a lot of fans still see areas of concern- bad basketball, losing as many games at home as they win, and more roster turnover coming. Plus, Bradley is currently sitting one game out of last place in the MVC, exactly where they were last year, with no chance of escaping the Thursday games again.
2 of our losses were to the last place team (Indiana State).
And Bradley has not beaten a single team all season with a winning D1 record.
So yesterday's win was nice, but the improvement may not be as substantial as the record suggests, and most fans had slightly higher expectations for year two.
Like most fans, I will continue to be patient. But fans are certainly justified to be concerned about some of the shortcomings they have witnessed. And my biggest concern is that many of those fans have dropped out and may never come back. We simply cannot afford another 4 to 6 years of rebuilding.

[BRADLEY FAN 49]

I have no problem if fans are trying to be optimistic, and like to point only to the 10 wins, with a weaker non-conference schedule and a weaker MVC, as a sign of improvement.
However, looking more deeply, I think a lot of fans still see areas of concern- bad basketball, losing as many games at home as they win, and more roster turnover coming. Plus, Bradley is currently sitting one game out of last place in the MVC, exactly where they were last year, with no chance of escaping the Thursday games again.
2 of our losses were to the last place team (Indiana State).
And Bradley has not beaten a single team all season with a winning D1 record.
So yesterday's win was nice, but the improvement may not be as substantial as the record suggests, and most fans had slightly higher expectations for year two.
Like most fans, I will continue to be patient. But fans are certainly justified to be concerned about some of the shortcomings they have witnessed. And my biggest concern is that many of those fans have dropped out and may never come back. We simply cannot afford another 4 to 6 years of rebuilding.

I've said this before we have no choice, we have to let this play out with Wardle.
This is the point of no return if this doesn't work we're through in division 1.
I have confidence in C.R. & B.W.
We don't have the option of hiring another coach.
If fans leave and we start winning and they don't come back they really weren't fans any way.

[egib52]

The problem with college as opposed to professional sports is its tough to rebuild. Losing in professional sports makes sense because you get higher draft picks, and a team might have more money for free agents. I am a die hard BU fan so I truly understand the frustration, but while Wardle goes forward the key won't be as much the game results these first 2-3 years, but it is about developing players. Wardle has made his own bed, but if we don't give him 4-5 years we would be just prolonging this process. The freshman this year are really showing more than I think a lot of people anticipated, however many of the Sophs seem to be regressing. It's tough, if not nearly impossible, to recruit ranked players to a team at the bottom of a mid-major. The teams that dig out of these situations do it by developing players and hitting on JUCO players. I don't get the pessimism on Stipanovich/Childs. Both are double digit scorers and seem to be solid rebounders. Guys that are scoring 20+ ppg against good competition would be tough to lure to Peoria. However, from everything I have seen Childs appears to have the frame and athleticism to at minimum develop like DT did. However, the key for Wardle's continued employment at Bradley will be his development of players. After watching the game against Evansville I am optimistic that the Freshman will make a jump from year 1 to 2. I hate losing, but switching directions at this point or being frustrated about players who haven't even made it to Peoria yet gets us nowhere.

[Bradleyfan1]

the problem with college as opposed to professional sports is its tough to rebuild. Losing in professional sports makes sense because you get higher draft picks, and a team might have more money for free agents. I am a die hard bu fan so i truly understand the frustration, but while wardle goes forward the key won't be as much the game results these first 2-3 years, but it is about developing players. Wardle has made his own bed, but if we don't give him 4-5 years we would be just prolonging this process. The freshman this year are really showing more than i think a lot of people anticipated, however many of the sophs seem to be regressing. It's tough, if not nearly impossible, to recruit ranked players to a team at the bottom of a mid-major. The teams that dig out of these situations do it by developing players and hitting on juco players. I don't get the pessimism on stipanovich/childs. Both are double digit scorers and seem to be solid rebounders. Guys that are scoring 20+ ppg against good competition would be tough to lure to peoria. However, from everything i have seen childs appears to have the frame and athleticism to at minimum develop like dt did. However, the key for wardle's continued employment at bradley will be his development of players. After watching the game against evansville i am optimistic that the freshman will make a jump from year 1 to 2. I hate losing, but switching directions at this point or being frustrated about players who haven't even made it to peoria yet gets us nowhere.

amen

[tornado]

DeSmet (10-14) played Monday nite, and beat Troy 54-36
Ryan Stipanovich only played limited minutes, so I wonder if he's nursing some injury so he'll be ready for the playoffs.
His stat line - just 2-4 from the field, 4 pts, 7 reb, 4 asst

DeSmet plays again Tuesday nite
Lee's Summit West also plays Tuesday

[tornado]

...Chaminade had a 26 game home winning streak - having not lost on their own home court since 2014.
However, just this past Saturday that streak was broken by Chicago Whitney Young (Illinois' #5 ranked team in 4A)....

A couple guys Bradley is watching are playing well for Chicago Whitney Young..
Xavier Castaneda, Tyler Beard, Javon Freeman (26 pts in Young's loss to Simeon Friday)

nice to see we are connecting with multiple strong Chicago teams - Whitney Young, Simeon, Curie, Kenwood - as well as the big schools in St. Louis, KC, Milwaukee, and Indianapolis areas

[AZ BU Fan]

Starting To Recruit Where BU Should!

...nice to see we are connecting with multiple strong Chicago teams - Whitney Young, Simeon, and Curie, as well as, the big schools in St. Louis, KC, Milwaukee, and Indianapolis areas

EXACTLY!

Good point T!!!

[tornado]

..
DeSmet plays again Tuesday nite
Lee's Summit West also plays Tuesday

DeSmet beats Ladue 55-37, Ryan Stipanovich had 20 pts, 7 rebs, 5 asst
They have one more game Thursday then playoffs next week

Lee's Summit West beats Lee's Summit 70-52, it appears that Elijah Childs did not play - perhaps resting for the playoffs that start next Monday

[BRADLEY FAN 49]

t....Bless your heart! Your enthusiasm and positive outlook is great and I fervently hope you are correct about the 2 recruits. However, I continue to be just a little pessimistic. Here's why:
1. Do you think they are much better than Ronnie Suggs who probably will not be at BU next year or better than Jo Jo?
2.My latest check on Scout.com shows Ryan S. to be ranked #315 as a 2 star recruit and Childs is not listed but is also shown as a 2 star.
3. In checking out the latest Missouri state rankings, neither guy was in the top 6 in Missouri.
4. Rivals does not have childs in their top 150.
5. Could either of these guys play in the Big 10 or the Big 12 not even as starters but as on-the-bench role players?
Again, I hope I am wrong but I've seen this scenario repeated too many times over the many years I've been involved with BU Basketball.
Wiz

Hersey Hawkins was not a big time recruit.
Roger Phegley was not a big time recruit.
Bradley will probably never recruit a 4 star recruit against big schools.
We will have to wait and see if these players will be great at B.U.

[pfcmsh]

Other Greats

I don't know if these players were widely recruited, but what about:

Mitchell Anderson
Willy Scott
Jim Les
Patrick Obryant
Chris Roberts
Al Smith
Chet Walker

If the big schools didn't want these guys, so be it. I'd like our chances with a team composed of these guys. I know there are many more difference makers that have played at Bradley.

When we get back to 20 wins, we will be more desireable to recruits and can pick from a larger field of better players. Maybe I am wrong, but I think Dick Versace played a huge role in how well Bradley competed years after he left. We had a winning tradition and that has to look good to recruits.

[BRADLEY FAN 49]

Bradley Fan 49....These two recruits are not highly ranked in Missouri and a 15 ppg ave. in high school would be suspect in the MVC. Regarding 3 star recruits, you are dead wrong--We need these kind of players very badly. Other Mid-Majors recruit them and we should also. To do what you suggest would condemn us to Divn II or III.
I also disagree 100% with your opinion regarding a team leader. D. Brown is a fine player and a valuable asset to BU Basketball. However, I see no evidence of leadership in him. While he is a scorer, he is turnover prone and is only an average passer. These are not attribute for a good point guard. IMO he is better suited to be a 2 guard. Remember Hersey awkins who was a super great player. He was a super scorer but was not in any way a team leader on-court. A. Manual. Maniscalco, Jim Les, D. Ruffin were clearly great team leaders. D. Brown is a different player than these guys. Also, why have our coaches been recruiting and offering point guards? Are they looking for a true point guard that is a leader?
Wizard

[B][B][B]WIZARD........ I never said we shouldn't recruit 3 star players, I agree it would be nice to get 3 star recruits, the odds of us getting any in the near future are very slim. Once the program is back where it use to be that might happen.
As for D. Brown he will be one of the best point guards to have ever played at Bradley when he's career is over. As for him being turnover prone, he's only a freshman.
When you say Hersey Hawkins was not a team leader you lose all credibility with me, you don't have to be a point guard to be a team leader. Hersey Hawkins was one of the best team leaders ever at Bradley.
About them recruiting another point guard, you can never have to many point guards. Looking back at your past post every thing the staff is doing recruiting wise is wrong, now its right?