2016 transfer list

[tornado]

...just didn't fit well in the offense.

ok - now I gotta ask....
- first, the kid obviously has played and pursued basketball for 15 years or so..
and he's been involved in the recruiting process for 3-4 years...
and I am sure he saw Wichita play, talked with the coaching staff and had about as COMPLETE of an understanding of what Wichita's OFFENSE is and what the coaches expect..

Then we hear such an excuse (and we hear this all the time)
"I just didn't fit in with the offense" or "I am transferring to play somewhere that suits my style better..."

???what??? How did the guy not discover that his style of play didn't fit or that he didn't fit the offense until a YEAR after he'd been there?

Nope, I prefer to believe 99% of these transfers, even when the kid says he didn't fit - have NOTHING to do with the kid's style or the "style" of offense...
they are kids who aimed too high and never had the talent, or kids who were totally misjudged by the coaching & recruiting staff (like Chris Blake, Stefan Zecevic, Jermaine Morgan, Anthony Fields, and dozens of others were by Geno) or were possibly kids who wore out their welcome with behavior issues.

[Stickboy46]

ok - now I gotta ask....
- first, the kid obviously has played and pursued basketball for 15 years or so..
and he's been involved in the recruiting process for 3-4 years...
and I am sure he saw Wichita play, talked with the coaching staff and had about as COMPLETE of an understanding of what Wichita's OFFENSE is and what the coaches expect..

Then we hear such an excuse (and we hear this all the time)
"I just didn't fit in with the offense" or "I am transferring to play somewhere that suits my style better..."

???what??? How did the guy not discover that his style of play didn't fit or that he didn't fit the offense until a YEAR after he'd been there?

Nope, I prefer to believe 99% of these transfers, even when the kid says he didn't fit - have NOTHING to do with the kid's style or the "style" of offense...
they are kids who aimed too high and never had the talent, or kids who were totally misjudged by the coaching & recruiting staff (like Chris Blake, Stefan Zecevic, Jermaine Morgan, Anthony Fields, and dozens of others were by Geno) or were possibly kids who wore out their welcome with behavior issues.

I kind of agree but kind of disagree. Just sticking to Taylor, maybe it's just that he couldn't grasp the offense? In the times he did run the offense, it never ran smoothly. WSU's offense tends to run longer sets to try to find a good shot. Whenever Ty was running the offense, we tended to take a lot quicker shot (normally by Ty). Here are a few game stats
@Loyola: 2 Shots, 1 minute played
vs MSU: 2 Shots, 4 min played
VS NMSU: 4 Shots, 3 min played
@Drake: 2 Shots, 4 min played
vs Bradley: 7 Shots, 13 min played
VS Iowa: 8 Shots, 12 min
VS Bama, 15 shots, 30 min
vs US: 10 Shots, 18 min

The rest of the games he really didn't play in. But he is averaging a shot every 1-2 minutes.

While Fred had a couple of games that approached 1 shot every 2 minutes, the vast majority of the games were a lot lower (average through the whole year is a shot every 3-4 min.

Fred also had a 2 shot per assist ratio and an assist every 5 minutes, where Ty took 7 shots for every assist and an assist every 14 minutes.

I know I'm comparing an All-American to a true freshman here, but this is what I mean for style of play. Ty showed that he was a shoot-first PG, which is fine sometimes, but not when you shoot 29%. The offense isn't built to get the PG jumpers. That's what ended up happening. The screens set at the top to free up the PG, are designed to get them into the paint to dish out or to a big man. Ty was taking those looks from 3 or just inside the 3 point line without continuing the rest of the offense.

Would that have changed over time? I don't know, I don't see the practices. I'm sure Marshall was honest with him about upcoming playing time and he chose to continue somewhere else. If Ty played in a system like Evansville that is designed to get a guard lots of looks off screens, then maybe it would have been more successful.

As far as why it took a year to figure that out? I don't know either. Its hard to judge a kid on a HS team as far as tendencies because generally DI players are the best players on their HS teams, so they tend to try to create more for themselves because they don't have good options. Coaches hope that can be molded and controlled once they make it to DI, but it doesn't always work that way.

[tornado]

you're getting another kid who also misjudged "style of play"...as I read Peyton Allen also left Texas A&M to find a place that suited his style better..
Kinda tough break - given that he played starter minuites there as a freshman - but apparently felt threatened by a good incoming class..
...then the year he leaves they have arguably their best year ever - advancing to the Sweet 16, as far as they have ever gone in the NCAA

[Stickboy46]

you're getting another kid who also misjudged "style of play"...as I read Peyton Allen also left Texas A&M to find a place that suited his style better..
Kinda tough break - given that he played starter minuites there as a freshman - but apparently felt threatened by a good incoming class..
...then the year he leaves they have arguably their best year ever - advancing to the Sweet 16, as far as they have ever gone in the NCAA

Yea, I thought about that with Peyton. I have pretty high hopes for him. Marshall has spoken very highly of him. Whenever they needed to prepare for a high scoring guard (Beane, Balentine, etc), they would use Allen in practice. Marshall's comment was "He's just as good, except he doesn't miss" ... Though Marshall and Bill Self also called Frankamp the "best shooter I've ever coached" and that didn't really translate 100% on the floor last year. Wait and see ha!

[Da Coach]

ISU forward Nick Banyard, who transferred to ISU from new Mexico and played just 1 season, will graduate and transfer and play elsewhere next season-

http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/basketball/banyard-leaving-isu-plans-to-play-final-season-at-another/article_bc8300c6-00b7-5928-a471-d68947653b4a.html

[tornado]

Missouri State loses one player to transfer

http://www.ozarkssportszone.com/pages/22626574.php

[Da Coach]

Updated transfer list from ESPN- now up to 350+

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/14390188/college-basketball-transfer-list

Verbalcommits.com transfer list-

https://verbalcommits.com/transfers/2016

[tornado]

former BU recruit Milik Yarbrough is transferring from St. Louis

[egib52]

The transfer situation in college basketball is terribly frustrating. Kids don't allow programs to develop them. I understand that some kids shoot too high thanks in part to AAU, and then it becomes apparent right away. However, it seems like picking a new school is a year to year thing for some kids.

[tornado]

Here is an intriguing one...

DI Lewis University star Max Strus...who is a sophomore but maybe would be a grad transfer if he's got the coursework doner - a 6-6 guard (Jeremy Crouch-type) - good shooter, can definitely create his own shot,
and yet plays well in all other aspects.... hits close to 50% overall, 36% from the arc, 82% on FTs
is leaving and planning to transfer to a DI - like Jimmy Gavin did...
He is a solid DI talent averaging 20.2 ppg, 8.4 rpg, and 3.5 asst
He already has well over 1000 career points and has two years of eligibility left.
He may have to sit out a year if he does not get the grad-transfer exemption.

Check this out-
In an early season game against ISU back on November 10, 2014, Max went for 30 pts, hitting 11-16 & 7-11 from 3-pt

http://www.goredbirds.com/documents/2014/11/10/111014_Illinois_State_vs_Lewis_Final_Book.pdf

Then check what he did in this game!
http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread...#post825117196

Max Strus is gonna play at DePaul

[Da Coach]

The 2016 transfer list has almost reached 500 players-

https://verbalcommits.com/transfers/2016

One interesting name that was just added to that list is David Skara, a 6'8" sophomore forward at Valparaiso. He chose Valparaiso over UW-Green Bay and then Head Coach Brian Wardle when he came out of prep school in 2014-

https://verbalcommits.com/players/david-skara

In fact, Wardle was the first D1 coach to offer him a scholarship back in early 2014.

Unfortunately for Skara, he plays behind Alec Peters. And although Peters has declared for the NBA Draft, everyone expects him to return to Valpo for his senior season. And now that Valpo has changed coaches, Skara will be looking for another D1 school to transfer to.
Could Coach Wardle still be interested in him?

In his 2 seasons at Valparaiso:
2014-15 stats- played in 34 games, started 1 game; 5.4 ppg, 3.2 rpg- 19.8 mpg, 47.1% FG%, 29.2% 3Pt%, 80.1% FT%
2015-16 stats- played in 29 games, started 13 games; 6.5 ppg, 3.1 rpg- 19.7 mpg, 44.2% FG%, 32.8% 3Pt%, 77.4% FT%

Highlight video from 2014-15-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re03dVsBMLs

Highlights from 2015-16-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5w85vdClyk

[Da Coach]

Updated transfer list from ESPN. The grad-transfer list is at the top-

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/14390188/college-basketball-transfer-list

Verbalcommits.com transfer list includes a few that are not on the ESPN list-

https://verbalcommits.com/transfers/2016

There is no confirmation yet where Joel Okafor or Davante Cooper will transfer.

[tornado]

ISU digging DEEP into the disgruntled transfer market...
seem to be going after every one out there, now hosting Christian Romine, UTEP transfer
He averaged 0.9 ppg - scored 12 points total and grabbed 5 rebounds on the season with zero assists, zero blocks, zero steals, but 8 turnovers

http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?p=825121764&highlight=romine#post825121764

[PurpleAceFan]

ISU digging DEEP into the disgruntled transfer market...
seem to be going after every one out there, now hosting Christian Romine, UTEP transfer
He averaged 0.9 ppg - scored 12 points total and grabbed 5 rebounds on the season with zero assists, zero blocks, zero steals, but 8 turnovers
http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread...#post825121764

Interesting. Same Christian Romine that according to his AAU coach also has an offer from Bradley but has chosen not to take an official there. Guess both are Digging Deep. My Aces are Digging Deep too I guess.

Love all Valley teams and have had season tickets at one time or another to four of them (Evansville, Bradley, and both ISUs) .

[tornado]

No, I do not believe Bradley is after Romine at all...
the offer from Bradley was way back when he was in high school (when Geno was head coach)..
Although we won't know for sure, I don't think Bradley is currently pursuing any transfers - least of all Romine - the recent mentions of who is after him include Ball State, ISU but no Bradley.

This is no knock on Christian Romine, but clearly he is not happy with such scarce playing time at UTEP and he knows he aimed way too high and looking for another program to give it a 2nd shot. He might end up as a very successful player - but given his stats in the time he did play at UTEP, I'd have to believe even the MVC-level might still be aiming a bit too high.

Note that the mentions of Bradley are from 2014, but then this is not news, as we reported it here almost TWO years ago - LINK

https://twitter.com/CoachCiepierski/status/481958230684233728

https://twitter.com/PetarHood/status/483275235844579328