Final score: Wichita State 85 Bradley 58

[LittleBrave]

I just read the article of KW's??¦??¦it was good article about Marshall and WSU.
I'm not sure why anyone would be upset about it

Good read by Kirk - I must agree.

[Da Coach]

What did he say that was good? What was new in his article? What has he written in any article that was new?
I'd prefer to actually be informed of something I didn't already know if I spend time reading something.
Can I get paid to write articles full of stuff everyone already knows?

[lefty]

What did he say that was good? What was new in his article? What has he written in any article that was new?
I'd prefer to actually be informed of something I didn't already know if I spend time reading something.
Can I get paid to write articles full of stuff everyone already knows?

Just because you know it doesn't mean everyone does though DC


Here's the thing...just because KW didn't like JL and was pro Geno doesn't mean that everything he writes is wrong......like I said he's a columnist. Nothing more nothing less.....it doesn't say they are experts or anything of the sort......


definition by Wikipedia........


A columnist is someone who writes for publication in a series, creating an article that usually offers commentary and opinions.
Columns appear in newspapers, magazines and other publications, including blogs. They take the form of a short essay by a specific writer who offers a personal point of view. In some instances, a column has been written by a composite or a team, appearing under a pseudonym, or (in effect) a brand name. Some columnists appear on a daily or weekly basis and later reprint the same material in book collections


definition by Webster;


Full Definition of columnist

1. : one who writes a newspaper or magazine column

[Vent]

I just read the article of KW's??¦??¦it was good article about Marshall and WSU.
I'm not sure why anyone would be upset about it

I thought the article was pretty accurate.

As they say..."Haters are gonna hate". It is only a newspaper column. Some people must like to live in the past with all the negativity. Life is too short for that. It will eat your guts up.

[Vent]

I for one am tired of seeing guys who might be athletic and play hard but just don't seem to have a lot of basketball sense. Basic fundamentals like not giving an outside shooter room to shoot, not knowing how to handle pressure defense, taking an open shot but driving into traffic, not knowing when the shot clock is getting ready to expire. These are things taught in grade school. People can and will blame who they want to blame but as of right now this might be the least talented team I've ever seen on the hilltop. I've seen no improvement and unless they do we could be looking at an 0-18 year in the Valley. I really want them to prove me wrong.

Well written.

[Chico]

KW had to like Geno because he was Les' replacement. Geno had to be pumped up to show how "bad" we had it and to justify the firing to the donors. KW was dying for Geno to be successful so he could stick it to Les with column after column of "this is how a real coach does it." KW waited and waited but it never happened. Anytime there was the slightest potential glimmer, it was magnified with the examples that have been rehashed many times, "light years better" being the most used example.

KW and JL have a personal beef that started with the hire, and was exacerbated by JL's frosty disposition.

All of that being said, it all doesn't have much to do with going forward. We stink, and if we don't show improvement, it's on Wardle.

Why should kw have a beef with JL because he was hired instead of his choice? Would he have a beef with Mike K from Duke if he was hired? Couldn't blame JL for his "disposition."

[Buesch N Chips]

Why should kw have a beef with JL because he was hired instead of his choice? Would he have a beef with Mike K from Duke if he was hired? Couldn't blame JL for his "disposition."

I'm thinking it was a combination of the two, plus JL not being overly forthcoming with the media. I just know the tone of KW's articles were negative from the start, because I can recall noticing it and wondering where it was coming from.

[Chico]

I'm thinking it was a combination of the two, plus JL not being overly forthcoming with the media. I just know the tone of KW's articles were negative from the start, because I can recall noticing it and wondering where it was coming from.

IMO, Jim might have been more forthcoming with the media if kw wouldn't have been so negative from the start.

[bigjimmy]

Well written.

Thank you Vent. I'm like Lefty can we not make seemingly every thread turn into a KW bashing about his support for Geno and the previous administration and about his bias against JL. If people want a separate thread for that, fine. I've been a columnist, a long, long time ago, and you're supposed to know everything and point out the obvious. You do have your own biases, both pro and con. Mostly you want your comments talked about. That means people are paying attention and you don't care if people like it or not.

[Da Coach]

That's great Jimmy, and I have no problem with that. Except this is an opinion forum as well, and people are encouraged to give theirs. Why should they shut up and not be allowed to voice their opinions, just because they go against someone else's? Especially since Kirk "doesn't care if people like it or not". It seems that what you are advocating is selective censorship of opinions.

[ihatetea]

Seems to me he is advocating free speech. Just directed opinions. This started as a thread talking about a team weakness and then devolved into what too many devolved into, a Kirk bashing. I'd love a dedicated Kirk bashing thread. Then the other threads can stay focused. Do what you want with it, but my opinion is that this all gets tiresome. Why I usually don't comment about this stuff.

[Da Coach]

I am done, until the next stupid thing Kirk says.

[bigjimmy]

Da coach I'm not advocating selective censorship. We are all entitled to our opinions. It just seems like a lot of posts evolve into ranting about something KW says. This is what he wants. I just would prefer it not evolve that way but that's my problem to deal with. And let's face it as sure as I'm typing this KW will saying something that provokes a response.

[tornado]

Kirk admitted that he intentionally goes beyond being a "reporter" and beyond being a "columnist",
and he has taken it upon himself to do what he had to do to sway both public opinion and BU admin opinion to get Jim Les fired.
Believe what you want, but most people would interpret that as Kirk Wessler using his position as a bully pulpit to get what he wants to satisfy his personal desires. That's not journalism, it's activism - which is his right but then it's our right to point it out and his inconsistencies.
He wanted Jim Les out, and he wanted Joanne to pick someone else, and he praised all her choices that ultimately led to Bradley bottoming out...
he got his way for much of the past 5 years, and intentionally chose NOT to report the ****ing facts that ended up getting Glasser & Cross fired,
and he tried like crazy to shore up and spin it all positively - and it has hurt & nearly destroyed Bradley to a historic degree.
Heck - most of the facts, numbers, and committe findings and truth that were what caused the HUGE story of near-financial disaster and massive administration purging - went completely UNREPORTED by our media and were stated HERE and here alone on this message board!
KW got exactly what he wanted but now it's led to this and he suddenly doesn't like where we're at now.
Well, "Buddy", we are here because YOU got your way - and definitely NOT because I got my way.


But activism and social engineering is, I guess, what some newspaper people do...but generally it's big market political reporters and activist writers.....just not a lot of smaller market sports editors.
But in the very same breath that people such as Kirk Wessler demands the right to do as he does - they also spout hate and revulsion for anyone else who in their opinion does exactly the same.
They bemoan, ridicule & mock message board posters and bloggers and trash them as the world's worst phenomenon....all that is revulsive about freedom of speech.

But the message boarders and bloggers of today are exactly what the free and independent newspaper writers & journalists of yesteryear like Ben Franklin and Thomas Paine were.
We don't have opinions just to stir the pot, make a name for ourselves, or get a paycheck, or try to set ourselves up to land a cushy journalism teaching spot on campus. Most of us love this University & team and just want to be fans - and so we call out those who DID help engineer the near-destruction of Bradley basketball and whose opinions have been dead wrong for years and have hurt the program. We call it as we see it even if the KW supporters want to try to shut down dissent.

BTW- in fairness and full disclosure...
I do absolutely ZERO business with nor have ever gained benefit in any way from any relationship with the PJStar.
I would love to hear whether others in this discussion can say the same thing, because if you do business with them or gain benefit from your relationship with them, it does possibly help explain the basis for opinions.

[lefty]

You give Kirk way to much credit for influence T??¦??¦.

your last two lines are interesting and I'm not sure what you are trying to drive at with them. I have done business with the PJS for 28 years??¦pretty much the same amount of time of supporting BU basketball. They are independent of each other for me??¦??¦??¦.my business with PJS is considerably less now than before because I feel it has much less influence than past years. The are others in my field who still use PJS as their main source of advertising??¦.

My business with PJS has nothing to do with what I post here??¦..like I've said go ahead and blast away??¦.I would like to see it on one thread that I can ignore instead of peppered through out other threads about BU basketball??¦

I would add too that we all know you guys don't like KW and that's fine. Has he wrote stuff that is wrong??¦yes??¦??¦I don't know anyone who's right all the time??¦.but it doesn't mean that Kirk or anyone is wrong all the time either.