Final score: Wichita State 85 Bradley 58

[lefty]

You are right. In almost every one of Bradley's games, they have recorded zero fast break points. That is actually a difficult stat to record in so many games.
I know fast breaking is not one of this team's strong points, but why not? We have some athletic guys who can press, and should get a few steals, but we never even look to fast break, or create a quick shot. I'm not suggesting it would make a difference in a game like these last 2 (against UNI & WSU), but I'd like to see us try the fast break or speed up the tempo a bit occasionally.
Does anyone out there like watching games where we score in the 40's and 50's every time?

If we win those games in the 50's it's ok??¦..

I do know Wardle was yelling at the guys to take it to the basket and make them pay when WSU pressed but the guys kept pulling the ball out??¦He was furious at James when he passed up an open 3 in the first half...

[lefty]

I haven't been to any games and viewing online has been sporadic, but I completely agree with you Coach. Regarding the inexperienced freshman that will improve with experience theory that some believe, I agree to a point. However, does anyone believe that this "team" has improved during the course of the season? Does anyone believe that individual "games" have improved during the course of the season? I don't. I feel that the team and individual performances looked better (not much) during the first 3-4 games and have worsened since. This makes be worry about our coaching staff. I commend Wardle for filling a roster with the significant challenges that he had, but what is he doing to make this team better. How many of these guys are people excited about as seniors? The drive and dunk by James was nice today and other guys show the occasional flash of something. Are we counting on Bar and Foster to start next year. One other point- our post players do not show much toughness to me. Poor rebounders and foul frequently.

Still too early to count many of these freshman out for the future. heck they are still getting use to the college game of 40 minutes where you can't take a play off like they did in HS. Now they have all been scouted and need to adjust. That will not happen overnight..

The post concerns me as much as the PG position and shooting??¦??¦I think VanBree, Pitt,and maybe James can be good shooters

[tornado]

the fully anticipated Kirk Wessler article on the game drones on and on praising Gregg Marshall and his team for a dozen different attributes...
all of which we all know already - as does most of the entire nation if they've watched any DI basketball the past four years...

BUT -- 100% of what he's drooling over Gregg Marshall & the Shockers about is EXACTLY what Geno's teams for the past FOUR YEARS had ABSOLUTELY ZERO OF!!
Geno's teams were so VERY, VERY opposite of all that Kirk claims he has astutely noticed and appreciated makes Wichita good!
So - why the heck was he, for four full seasons, praising and lauding Geno's teams as light years better, extremely talented, deep, great leadership, etc., etc., etc...
when they were the worst teams we've all ever seen...?

He can't have it both ways - he can't claim he's so astute as to be able to spot all the great things that make Wichita a fine team...
but he just spent the PAST FOUR FULL YEARS claiming he saw all those same traits in Geno's teams and that Geno's teams were so danged great also.

I think he has already disqualified himself from having any credibility in this regards. Meanwhile - most of us fans got it 100% RIGHT the past four years while he was getting it 100% wrong. Kirk needs to just interview some of the board posters if he really wants astute observations.

[lefty]

the fully anticipated Kirk Wessler article on the game drones on and on praising Gregg Marshall and his team for a dozen different attributes...
all of which we all know already - as does most of the entire nation if they've watched any DI basketball the past four years...

BUT -- 100% of what he's drooling over Gregg Marshall & the Shockers about is EXACTLY what Geno's teams for the past FOUR YEARS had ABSOLUTELY ZERO OF!!
Geno's teams were so VERY, VERY opposite of all that Kirk claims he has astutely noticed and appreciated makes Wichita good!
So - why the heck was he, for four full seasons, praising and lauding Geno's teams as light years better, extremely talented, deep, great leadership, etc., etc., etc...
when they were the worst teams we've all ever seen??¦?



He can't have it both ways - he can't claim he's so astute as to be able to spot all the great things that make Wichita a fine team...
but he just spent the PAST FOUR FULL YEARS claiming he saw all those same traits in Geno's teams and that Geno's teams were so danged great also.

I think he has already disqualified himself from having any credibility in this regards. Meanwhile - most of us fans got it 100% RIGHT the past four years while he was getting it 100% wrong. Kirk needs to just interview some of the board posters if he really wants astute observations.

Pretty simple really??¦he was wrong about Geno and right about Marshall

[Biff]

the fully anticipated Kirk Wessler article on the game drones on and on praising Gregg Marshall and his team for a dozen different attributes...
all of which we all know already - as does most of the entire nation if they've watched any DI basketball the past four years...

BUT -- 100% of what he's drooling over Gregg Marshall & the Shockers about is EXACTLY what Geno's teams for the past FOUR YEARS had ABSOLUTELY ZERO OF!!
Geno's teams were so VERY, VERY opposite of all that Kirk claims he has astutely noticed and appreciated makes Wichita good!
So - why the heck was he, for four full seasons, praising and lauding Geno's teams as light years better, extremely talented, deep, great leadership, etc., etc., etc...
when they were the worst teams we've all ever seen...?

He can't have it both ways - he can't claim he's so astute as to be able to spot all the great things that make Wichita a fine team...
but he just spent the PAST FOUR FULL YEARS claiming he saw all those same traits in Geno's teams and that Geno's teams were so danged great also.

I think he has already disqualified himself from having any credibility in this regards. Meanwhile - most of us fans got it 100% RIGHT the past four years while he was getting it 100% wrong. Kirk needs to just interview some of the board posters if he really wants astute observations.

Could not agree more. How can he pat himself on the back for his rare ability to appreciate all the things that WSU does that make them a winner, and yet everything that he lauds about Gregg Marshall's team, about playing hard all the time, executing, and that "it's unacceptable to play with less ferocity than that of a rabid pit bull", it is all 180 degrees opposite of how Geno's teams played for 4 full years, and for virtually every game during that stretch!

If he is so good at "appreciating" such things, then just why didn't he appreciate how bad Geno's teams were for 4 years! Not only did he not appreciate how bad Geno's teams were, he went "light years" in the opposite direction claiming how improved they were, how deep and talented they were, and how Geno was "doing things the right way"!

And as usual, Kirk makes a fool of himself and does not tell readers a single thing they didn't already know.

[bigjimmy]

I for one am tired of seeing guys who might be athletic and play hard but just don't seem to have a lot of basketball sense. Basic fundamentals like not giving an outside shooter room to shoot, not knowing how to handle pressure defense, taking an open shot but driving into traffic, not knowing when the shot clock is getting ready to expire. These are things taught in grade school. People can and will blame who they want to blame but as of right now this might be the least talented team I've ever seen on the hilltop. I've seen no improvement and unless they do we could be looking at an 0-18 year in the Valley. I really want them to prove me wrong.

[lefty]

I just read the article of KW's??¦??¦it was good article about Marshall and WSU.
I'm not sure why anyone would be upset about it

[tornado]

don't know anyone who is upset...just being factual as you claim KW is being..I just brought it up because I thought it was all out hypocrisy..
he acts like he's the one who has finally discovered why Wichita is good - and that only he sees it - yet for years he's been saying all the same things about Geno's teams and players being so good and so much better than we ever had before and he was 100% wrong yet never conceded he was so laughably wrong.
He & DR favorably compared and claimed Geno's teams & our depth, our talent, our big men, our recruiting - were as good as players like Mitchell Anderson, Donald Reese, Cellus, the Molinari recruiting Class that won the MVC, the Sweet 16 team, etc...
Just sayin' - you can't have it both ways - can't claim to be such a great expert on talent and figuring out Marshall's formula for success when he's had such a long, horrible track record identifying talent and hyping our worst four years ever as so great.

[lefty]

don't know anyone who is upset...just being factual as you claim KW is being..I just brought it up because I thought it was all out hypocrisy..
he acts like he's the one who has finally discovered why Wichita is good - and that only he sees it - yet for years he's been saying all the same things about Geno's teams and players being so good and so much better than we ever had before and he was 100% wrong yet never conceded he was so laughably wrong.
He & DR favorably compared and claimed Geno's teams & our depth, our talent, our big men, our recruiting - were as good as players like Mitchell Anderson, Donald Reese, Cellus, the Molinari recruiting Class that won the MVC, the Sweet 16 team, etc...
Just sayin' - you can't have it both ways - can't claim to be such a great expert on talent and figuring out Marshall's formula for success when he's had such a long, horrible track record identifying talent and hyping our worst four years ever as so great.

I guess I don't see where he ever said he was an expert on talent...did he claim that somewhere? He's a columnist....not a scout....

[Da Coach]

He did state that people "simply don’t appreciate" the little things make Wichita State really good (implying that he is better at seeing it), which I think is an undeserved and incorrect shot at the fans. Most fans that post on this site clearly have more insight than Kirk does, judging by his wildly incorrect assessments and claims throughout the Geno years.
Even bu fan 9, who you often like to criticize, has been proven right all along about Geno's coaching and recruiting ability and about the past administration's competance.

[tornado]

I guess I don't see .......

comments like "here's why...", "people catch it..they don't appreciate it", and lecturing fans with "here's why buddy...", and telling the Bradley players.. "Bradley's guys need to learn that.."

That's the approach that newspaper writers continuously criticize message boards for....
If you try that stuff here on a message board telling others that they don't get it, or "here's why, buddy...", or that they need to learn what you already know and see how those other fans will react...

[lefty]

He did state that people "simply don??™t appreciate" the little things make Wichita State really good (implying that he is better at seeing it), which I think is an undeserved and incorrect shot at the fans. Most fans that post on this site clearly have more insight than Kirk does, judging by his wildly incorrect assessments and claims throughout the Geno years.
Even bu fan 9, who you often like to criticize, has been proven right all along about Geno's coaching and recruiting ability and about the past administration's competance.

Most fans are not on message boards either. It's a column, not gospel....it's amazing what you guys can pull out of a column......I still offer it's a good idea to have one thread for KW bashing instead of peppering other threads with it.....but whatever..


Congrats to bu fan 9 for being right........pretty sure I never said he wasn't.....

[lefty]

comments like "here's why...", "people catch it..they don't appreciate it", and lecturing fans with "here's why buddy...", and telling the Bradley players.. "Bradley's guys need to learn that.."

That's the approach that newspaper writers continuously criticize message boards for....
If you try that stuff here on a message board telling others that they don't get it, or "here's why, buddy...", or that they need to learn what you already know and see how those other fans will react...

Do you think KW is the only columnist in America that writes that way?...


Seems to me you make waaay too much out of his columns

[tornado]

no, and I am sure he is happy people read & discuss his columns..
I am just asking why his approach is so different now than it had been for four prior seasons...if there was ever a team to call out for lack of hustle play, lack of hard play, lack of smart play, and lack of quality play, then it's been the team right smack dab in front of him the past four years - and yet he didn't call them out and instead applauded them at every opportunity.
If he is such an expert on the fine points of college basketball and what constitutes a good team, and if he needs to educate us readers - especially those named "Buddy"...then I think all that erroneous & incorrect info and misinformation he gave us for years is as fair to ask about as Hillary's e mails.

[Buesch N Chips]

no, and I am sure he is happy people read & discuss his columns..
I am just asking why his approach is so different now than it had been for four prior seasons...if there was ever a team to call out for lack of hustle play, lack of hard play, lack of smart play, and lack of quality play, then it's been the team right smack dab in front of him the past four years - and yet he didn't call them out and instead applauded them at every opportunity.
If he is such an expert on the fine points of college basketball and what constitutes a good team, and if he needs to educate us readers - especially those named "Buddy"...then I think all that erroneous & incorrect info and misinformation he gave us for years is as fair to ask about as Hillary's e mails.

KW had to like Geno because he was Les' replacement. Geno had to be pumped up to show how "bad" we had it and to justify the firing to the donors. KW was dying for Geno to be successful so he could stick it to Les with column after column of "this is how a real coach does it." KW waited and waited but it never happened. Anytime there was the slightest potential glimmer, it was magnified with the examples that have been rehashed many times, "light years better" being the most used example.

KW and JL have a personal beef that started with the hire, and was exacerbated by JL's frosty disposition.

All of that being said, it all doesn't have much to do with going forward. We stink, and if we don't show improvement, it's on Wardle.