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**MacabreMob** · 01-05-2007, 09:03 PM

Drake owns the most MVC victories in league history at 484, while Bradley ranks second with 473 victories.

How long til we catch them?

**IlliBraves** · 01-05-2007, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by MacabreMob

Drake owns the most MVC victories in league history at 484, while Bradley ranks second with 473 victories.

How long til we catch them?

That's surprising to me considering I can't think of the last time Drake had a winning team.

I bet we catch them by next year.

MUST WIN GAME! GO BRAVES!!

**MacabreMob** · 01-05-2007, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by IlliBraves

Originally posted by MacabreMob

Drake owns the most MVC victories in league history at 484, while Bradley ranks second with 473 victories.

How long til we catch them?

That's surprising to me considering I can't think of the last time Drake had a winning team.

I bet we catch them by next year.

MUST WIN GAME! GO BRAVES!!

Drake is not only the longest current member in the MVC, but Drake had some very good years in the past.

I remember Lewis Lloyd (but I was little) - and a questionable undercut by him for a BU rebound that D Reese got called for a foul - I think???

Tornado - you remember that?

**Da Coach** · 01-05-2007, 10:24 PM

I am sure tornado remembers it, as do I. We were watching that game on TV. It was at Drake in the 1980-81 season, and I think it might have been the first round of the MVC post-season tournament that was played at campus sites back then. Bradley was about to put away a big upset win, as a wild shot by Lewis Lloyd missed in the last seconds of the game. Donald Reese went up for the rebound, and as he came straight down, Lloyd ran up behind him and slid "limbo" style under him causing him to fall on Lloyd. Unbelieveably, Reese was called for an offensive foul, despite never being given the opportunity to land on the floor. The game turned on that play and Drake won.
Though I have always said that the MVC refs have mangled the majority of charge-block calls for years, IMO this call ranks as the single worst officiating call I have ever seen.

**MacabreMob** · 01-05-2007, 10:41 PM

Tks DC - you took me right back to that year and that game.

**Big Mike** · 01-06-2007, 08:37 AM

Dave Reynolds PJS on the DU game:http://www.pjstar.com/stories/010607...FH8C.W02.shtml

Keys points.........at least 2 more weeks on JC and JJ has an injured hand? That's news I haven't heard yet(JJ)?

**New Guy** · 01-06-2007, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by IlliBraves

Originally posted by MacabreMob

Drake owns the most MVC victories in league history at 484, while Bradley ranks second with 473 victories.

How long til we catch them?

That's surprising to me considering I can't think of the last time Drake had a winning team.

I bet we catch them by next year.

MUST WIN GAME! GO BRAVES!!

Drake in their 95th valley year. Bradley in their 55th. Next is Wichita State 449 victories (before this year) in their 62 year in the valley. According to this years media guide.

**Chico** · 01-06-2007, 04:23 PM

That was the worse call I've ever seen. That call and the ones in Hawaii when we were on the way to upsetting San Francisco.

**tornado** · 01-06-2007, 05:32 PM

I have to vote for the horrible phantom foul call on Barney mines in the closing seconds of the BU-San Francisco game in 1981 at the Rainbow Classic.
USF was #1 ranked (Joe Barry Carroll) and BU was clearly going to win the game (much to the dismay of tournament organizers who want to get the top teams into the finals so they can get a TV contract), so the ref (Larry Yamashita) called a foul on Mines, who could clearly be seen in the filmed highlights/replays of the game to be standing a full 6 feet away from the USF player, and didn't come anywhere close to touching him, and yet the foul allowed San Francisco to shoot for the lead and eventually win the game.
Of course Versace went ballistic and got something like 4 technicals, and an ejection, but it was worth it, and it ended up ultimately (but not immediately) motivating the team to go on to win the NIT.

**real fan** · 01-06-2007, 06:45 PM

Speaking about Hawaii and the rainbow classic I was there the last 2 times Bradley played in it and the refs make sure the rainbow warriors get most of the calls; I am surprized they can get any teams to play in that tour. other then it makes for a good recruiting tool to say we will be going to Hawaii .

**molar50** · 01-06-2007, 07:08 PM

I attended the 1981 Rainbow Classic and I thought Dick Versace took the referee's whistle and threw it in the crowd. The referee then ejected Versace. There were several other questionable calls that led up to the call on Mines. I talked to a native who stated that it was common knowledge that the "fix was in" and it was common practice that certain teams would be selected to be in the finals. Of course, the Hawaii teams would always benefit from the calls.

**MacabreMob** · 01-06-2007, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by tornado

I have to vote for the horrible phantom foul call on Barney mines in the closing seconds of the BU-San Francisco game in 1981 at the Rainbow Classic.
USF was #1 ranked (Joe Barry Carroll) and BU was clearly going to win the game (much to the dismay of tournament organizers who want to get the top teams into the finals so they can get a TV contract), so the ref (Larry Yamashita) called a foul on Mines, who could clearly be seen in the filmed highlights/replays of the game to be standing a full 6 feet away from the USF player, and didn't come anywhere close to touching him, and yet the foul allowed San Francisco to shoot for the lead and eventually win the game.
Of course Versace went ballistic and got something like 4 technicals, and an ejection, but it was worth it, and it ended up ultimately (but not immediately) motivating the team to go on to win the NIT.

Bradley went on to lose all 3 games out in the Rainbow Classic that year. I think the 7th place game was lost to ACC cellar dwellar Clemson that year who did not win a game in the ACC.

I might have even heard once or twice Versace didn't want to win a game in that 'corrupt' tourney after the SF game.

I also believe it all helped the NCAA make an easy snub of BU after they lost in the MVC Conference Tourney in OT to ISU (I think Barney Mines might have been hurt that game?).

**Chico** · 01-06-2007, 08:19 PM

We lost the final game in Hawaii that year to Cal Fullerton. We lost to Clemson in Hawaii in 1985. That was the first loss in the 32-3 season.

**MacabreMob** · 01-06-2007, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by Chico

We lost the final game in Hawaii that year to Cal Fullerton. We lost to Clemson in Hawaii in 1985. That was the first loss in the 32-3 season.

That's right Chico (re: Clemson). Nice memory.

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