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Peoria Christian High School's Alex O'Neill gets scholarship offer from Bradley

One of my kids knows Alex (@alexoneill8 ) and he wants to go to Bradley - this is great and I know Alex will work hard to earn playing time...
..hey - if we get Alex on top of the three GB kids (Okafor, Pittman, Torres) and Suggs - we're may have to open more scholarships ;)
 
If I am reading that correctly, it is saying that he does not get a scholarship during his redshirt year. I'm assuming I am reading it incorrectly in that he would get a scholarship but would redshirt the first year.
 
LongTimeFan said:
If I am reading that correctly, it is saying that he does not get a scholarship during his redshirt year. I'm assuming I am reading it incorrectly in that he would get a scholarship but would redshirt the first year.
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That is what it says. That would be the same arrangement that Ron Baker had at Wichita. If O'Neill has a similar rise from pay-your-own-way to All Valley I would be ecstatic.
 
ihatetea said:
That is what it says. That would be the same arrangement that Ron Baker had at Wichita. If O'Neill has a similar rise from pay-your-own-way to All Valley I would be ecstatic.
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Help me. Is Wichita a private or a public school? If it is state supported, there would be a big difference in tuition and books, if books are still used. :)

Would O'Neil be considered a recruited walk-on? I thought I read somewhere that they can usually get some financial aid. However, I could easily be wrong on that.
 
Wichita STATE UNIVERSITY is a public state school

Alex is a pretty smart kid and would definitely get some academic scholarship aid...but he has other reasons that might still lead him to Bradley
 
Wichita State is a state school, just as Illinois State, Missouri State, Indiana State, Northern Iowa, and SIU are. The 4 private schools in the MVC are Bradley, Drake, Evansville, and Loyola.

And yes, O'Neill would be what is commonly referred to as a recruited walk-on. UNI does this almost every year with one or two recruits, and they have been very successful at developing many of them into All MVC, and even POY players (Adam Koch).

It is likely Alex, who is a very good student, would qualify for non-athletic scholarship aid at Bradley.
 
ihatetea said:
That is what it says. That would be the same arrangement that Ron Baker had at Wichita. If O'Neill has a similar rise from pay-your-own-way to All Valley I would be ecstatic.
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It's similar to what is referred to as a "gray shirt" in college football.
 
This goes back a few years, but my son went to Drake to play football. Drake plays football in a non athletic scholarship division/league.

He was a real goid student, but not exceptional. We were middle class at the time.

He was able to qualify for a number of scholarships and grants from Drake that reduced tuition to State University levels..

Allowed him to get his degree there and play football, until injuries kept him off the field his senior year.

It can be done.
 
Old Coach said:
It's similar to what is referred to as a "gray shirt" in college football.
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Kind of, but technically, not exactly the same. The gray shirt designation means the kid delays his enrollment or does not take enough credit hours to be considered a full time student, they get no financial aid, and he does not compete or practice with a team, and thus their NCAA "clock" does not actually start yet and the player still has 5 years to get 4 seasons of eligibility in.
Alex O'Neill will be a full time student and will practice and be part of the team, thus, he will be a true "redshirt".
https://northwestern.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=58&tid=211545865&mid=211545865&sid=901&style=2

Redshirts may or may not get a scholarship, but it mainly means they plan not to play, and thus retain all 4 seasons of eligibility. Every student athlete is entitled to take 1 redshirt season as long as they do not play in any games that year, or a medical redshirt of they play in few enough to qualify for the NCAA medical redshsirt rules.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirt_(college_sports)
 
I have heard that there were some recruiters advising Alex to do a year of prep school, which wouldn't have been a bad idea for him. I believe if he had done that, he would be a highly recruited big man for the class of 2016. This works better for both sides if Alex accepts. He gets to stay at home, work with coaches who have proven they can develop big men (Alec Brown among others), and in return, Bradley has him locked up if he does merit a scholarship in 1 year. We should know if this happens in the next few days.

The signing period started Wed. April 15, and runs through Wed., May 20.
 
'Blueshirt'

'Blueshirt'

Da Coach said:
Kind of, but technically, not exactly the same. The gray shirt designation means the kid delays his enrollment or does not take enough credit hours to be considered a full time student, they get no financial aid, and he does not compete or practice with a team, and thus their NCAA "clock" does not actually start yet and the player still has 5 years to get 4 seasons of eligibility in.
Alex O'Neill will be a full time student and will practice and be part of the team, thus, he will be a true "redshirt".
https://northwestern.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=58&tid=211545865&mid=211545865&sid=901&style=2

Redshirts may or may not get a scholarship, but it mainly means they plan not to play, and thus retain all 4 seasons of eligibility. Every student athlete is entitled to take 1 redshirt season as long as they do not play in any games that year, or a medical redshirt of they play in few enough to qualify for the NCAA medical redshsirt rules.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirt_(college_sports)
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It sort of sounds like Alex is being offered as a 'blueshirt'-a term used more in football recruiting as far as I am aware(see definition in link below)

http://reignoftroy.com/2015/01/24/football-recruiting-blueshirt/

http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/story?id=10431213
 
Here is a discussion of redshirt, grayshirt, blueshirt, and greenshirt athletes-
http://informedathlete.com/old-shirt-new-shirt-red-shirt-blue-shirt
http://recruiting.scout.com/story/1509458-one-ship-two-ship-green-shirt-blue-shirt

Most of these cases (except redshirting) apply more to football, so coaches can recruit more athletes than they have scholarships for, but then get them working out with weight and conditioning coaches and prepare them to compete without wasting a scholarship year.

Though he does fit the blueshirt definition (used almost exclusively in football), I think Alex's situation is more of a mutually agreed on, classic redshirt, only without a scholarship the first year.
 
I'm surprised by this. Not all scholarship players are meant to be starters, but is he someone that can even be counted on to provide depth? I have a hard time believing that he'll ever play a meaningful minute barring a drastic improvement to his game or a situation where a number of interior players on the roster are injured or ineligible.

Isn't this the same type of offer than Nebraska-Omaha made to him, which later caused him to back out of his commitment? Does he have any other D1 offers? I know Creighton was looking at him as a walk on.
 
Deadguy35 said:
I'm surprised by this. Not all scholarship players are meant to be starters, but is he someone that can even be counted on to provide depth? I have a hard time believing that he'll ever play a meaningful minute barring a drastic improvement to his game or a situation where a number of interior players on the roster are injured or ineligible.

Isn't this the same type of offer than Nebraska-Omaha made to him, which later caused him to back out of his commitment? Does he have any other D1 offers? I know Creighton was looking at him as a walk on.
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I disagree. He is only 17 and skinny, but has a lot of potential. Even in the videos it's evident he has quick reflexes and good footwork, as well as good court awareness and quick, pinpoint passing. He's made tremendous progress from even a year ago when there wasn't a single D1 school looking at him. I think it's a great move. He does not cost Bradley a scholarship for this next year, and if his development doesn't progress, they can part ways. Nothing will be lost.
He is not being offered with the intent to provide depth this coming season.
 
Bradley has a lot of history of taking large guys and having them become productive players even if only in small roles...after they have been here a few years.

Egolf, Singh, Sticks to some degree, Wells to some degree, even guys like Heemskirk and Collins eventually got to the point where they could contribute.

Size is one thing you can't teach, give him a chance to mature physically and he could be at least a solid role guy. Not necessarily a waste even if he doesn't play the first two years.
 
Deadguy35 said:
I'm surprised by this. Not all scholarship players are meant to be starters, but is he someone that can even be counted on to provide depth? I have a hard time believing that he'll ever play a meaningful minute barring a drastic improvement to his game or a situation where a number of interior players on the roster are injured or ineligible.

Isn't this the same type of offer than Nebraska-Omaha made to him, which later caused him to back out of his commitment? Does he have any other D1 offers? I know Creighton was looking at him as a walk on.
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Have you heard the story of the early college days of Frank Kaminsky at Wisconsin?
 
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