Warren Jones arrested

[FlyingSpaghettiMonster]

Tornado....I respect your opinion, and I'm certainly willing to engage in a mutually respectful discussion.

In full disclosure I was part of Dewey's 93 team and that had several of us out drinking during a conference weekend against ISU where we were suspended afterwards. Closing Sullys was a fairly regular occurrence (You can insert joke about baseball players not being athletes if you wish )

Dewey always told us he would give us enough rope to hang ourselves with....and that rope got a lot shorter for the remainder of the season. It also galvanized us where we swept Creighton the next weekend. And although the punishment was handled internally it made the newspapers the next day. Some may say that loss to ISU on Sunday kept us from getting an NCAA bid (We ended up 40-16)....but in truth it was probably a midweek loss to Illinois Weslyan that sealed our fate more than that conference game.

Now there were no laws broken in the incident above. Maybe university rules as a whole were different back them....I'm just sharing my personal experience. Were there athletes drinking. There were. Were there athletes not drinking....sure there were. I was pretty straight and narrow in high school and if the current rules were in place in 25 years ago (ouch, it hurts to say that) then maybe my social life at BU would have had a minimum of alcohol consumption. Who knows?

There was a similar environment 15 years ago. Easily 90% of the athletes at the time drank. Some sports kept more to themselves than others. Everyone knew about it. No one cared unless you got in trouble.

Drinking on campus became temporarily more severely punished and enforced around 10 years ago. A student died (5th year senior) and there was a state task force (or something similar) that came down to enforce underage drinking. They would pull people off the sidewalk and breathalyzer them. When I was there, the police didn't care as long as you weren't causing a problem. That enforcement decreased over time. I'm out of touch with the environment now. From my limited experiences around college kids, it doesn't seem like much has changed.

Kids in college do stupid things and get in trouble. No one got hurt here and this is a non-story for me. They were stupid and got in trouble. Meh. They'll get punished. The end.

[bigjimmy]

Obviously there are a lot of different opinions about alcohol. Anybody who is under 21 has a choice when and how they party, whether they are on a sports team or not. If you play a sport it's a choice that should have consequences as you are a representative of that school. They should be held to a higher standard.

[tornado]

... Jim was a major factor in securing funding for the Renaissance Center ..

Yes - little known fact that's been spun falsely of late...
80% of the funding for all the upgrades, the Ren-Col, Markin, Alumni Center, and all that's left over from which we will draw to $ millions to buy out the contracts and get this mess behind us...
Yup - 80% was already either in the bank or solidly pledged even before Ken Kavangh was run off (2008 ).
People will say what they want & believe what they want and the hard facts might never be made available - but I feel compelled to defend the guys who DID raise most of it (Kavanagh, Les, Hammerton, Bish, Goldin, Englebrecht, Rick Gaa, Jerry Heller, John Matthews....)
So a lot of the braggadocio recently about who is or was responsible for the success of the fund raising is baloney.
Record setting fundraising in 2002-2008 landed most of the Campaign's funds - and the Renaissance Campaign was named, launched, celebrated, & promoted before the very people who now take credit for it ever arrived.

http://bubravesblogger.blogspot.com/2011/10/bu-fundraising-some-of-history-seems-to.html

http://www.bradleybraves.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=3400&ATCLID=1597812

http://www.bradleybraves.com/pdf7/20965.pdf?ATCLID=201568&SPSID=19336&SPID=1498&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=3400

http://lydia.bradley.edu/hilltopics/archives/pdf/Hilltopics-v11i2-2005spring.pdf

http://explore.bradley.edu/connection/

......I'm just sharing my personal experience. Were there athletes drinking. There were. Were there athletes not drinking....sure there were. ...

none of us is perfect but wise people - even young ones - can put their responsibilities ahead of their pleasure seeking and honor their commitment to the Athletic Code.
You appear to be one who fully realized that if or when you crossed the line & fell short of the standard or the target for behavior - then you were pensive and determined to do better.
That's all I ask or expect - but we see a lot of the "everyone's doing it excuse" as cause to allow repeat, unrepentant violators right back on the team and enabling them to repeat & disappoint again.
I think we've all seen it as well on the high school level where our kids are on baseball/basketball/track teams while the coach makes special allowances and tolerates behavior that woulda gotten my kid punished or booted from the team - just because the kid happens to be a stud and has talent.

[bake]

College kids

First, thanks to d c for making sure I could get some game information last night while on vacation out of the country.

On the arrests, let us not forget these gentlemen are getting $32k per year plus room and board so while kids will be kids, they have a lot at risk. My question to a coach, who by all metrics is not successful, what do you do now? If there are not appropriate consequences, the program continues to spin out of control.

I hope the university trustees are as embarrassed by this as I am, as a graduate, 85 and 89, affiliate faculty member, and a fan!

[tornado]

All those in power in both 2002 & 2011 used the following reasons to fire everyone, clean house, and completely rebuild....
And in both cases (2002, 2011) the press (Phil Theobald in 2002, Kirk Wessler in 2011) were the Exorcists who helped rid of us of all the perceived demons.

Here's the reasons they hailed

-losing games, losing finances, losing respect, losing fan base
-not competing for championships
-embarrassments off the court
-concerns of declining ticket sales/revenue
-vocal & written complaints from fans & season ticket holders
-and the desire to restore the public image of Bradley basketball to some higher level.

In 2002 there were a couple of down years but everything including winning, post-season, national caliber success, funds & donations and restoration of the program & ticket sales all happened in just 4 years

In 2011, different story - all the moves that were made were horribly planned, horribly executed, misguided, and regardless of everyone's good intent and they're all nice guys, we ended up way, way worse in every regard -
especially ticket sales, embarrassments, and public image...

BUT - in the intervening span (2011-2015) we've been fed such a tremendous line of B***S**T from those in power & their allies in the media that we WERE on the right track, we were "doing it the right way", that fans needed to shut up and be patient, that the fans were uneducated, that we are MUCH better even though nobody could see it, and that all the problems if they did exist were all someone else's fault who got run out of here half a decade or more ago.

It's time those who have failed us miserably fess up, and yield the stage...

[Indy_BB]

Why do people bring up Les, while talking about Ford's incompetence?

Both bad, who cares?

[BUspartan]

Granted, i only played high school ball, but i don't remember ever wanting to go out and party after getting whipped at home, especially against a (statistically) inferior opponent.

I'm a relatively recent graduate and had a fake for my first two years of undergrad. Everyone did. But they do crack down a lot harder now it seems, and i was typically rather cautious of using it 24/7, and at specific bars.

Now, i'm just your typical white guy, who no one would recognize. Being a d1 athlete (especially basketball) using a fake during the middle of the week? Severe lapse of judgment. Severe.

[Da Coach]

As if the embarrassing loss last night wasn't enough to seal the fate of this team and staff, Bradley guard Warren Jones was arrested last night (actually early this morning) after the game for a criminal trespass charge and obstruction of identification. He was jailed in the Peoria County Jail.

Additionally, Jones was not the only Bradley player involved.

As was reported earlier- here is more information about the other players involved, and there is a new name now included- Omari Grier

Update of the information and more from Dave Reynolds, including statements of apology by Geno Ford-

http://www.pjstar.com/article/20150129/SPORTS/150129080/12701/SPORTS

Correction from the earlier information-
KaDarryl Bell did not have a fake ID, but was ticketed for underaged drinking

Omari Grier's involvment- it was Grier's ID that was illegally used by Warren Jones. Grier was not at the scene.

The Bradley players were was with "a group of 10 that was asked to leave the downtown bar (Big Al's) after they became unruly".

[Canton BU fan]

Zero tolerance. Take their scholarships away and send them down the road. Everyone's NOT using or used a fake ID as some seem to think. I never did. Besides, it doesn't matter anyway. The best thing for them is to learn a lesson from this that they are not above the law. Coach should be sent with them immediately too. If there's not some sort of clause in his contract that makes him responsible for this type of conduct there should have been.

[tornado]

Why do people bring up Les, while talking about Ford's incompetence?

Both bad, who cares?

I have also brought up Versace, Albeck, and Molinari - plenty of times when the situation warrants...
but this time it's to show the hypocrisy of those in charge, how they cited numerous reasons for treating JL so badly - all of which have occurred in spades under the current crew - and yet those in charge continue to defend and trumpet how great things are.
Also to show the hypocrisy of those who cover the two settings in the media

[Da Coach]

If there are suspensions, and by the Athletic Code there should be, that would leave Bradley with just 2 guards- Sutherland and Fields. Donte Thomas could play the "2" a little, but otherwise, we will have to play our bigs a lot to go along with the limited guards available.
That rotation is not looking good.

[Canton BU fan]

If there are suspensions, and by the Athletic Code there should be, that would leave Bradley with just 2 guards- Sutherland and Fields. Donte Thomas could play the "2" a little, but otherwise, we will have to play our bigs a lot to go along with the limited guards available.
That rotation is not looking good.

So be it.

[KMart]

This should not be tolerated at all. If you get arrested while playing on a college basketball team, you should be kicked off.

[amckillip]

So be it.

+1

[Vent]

Why do people bring up Les, while talking about Ford's incompetence?

Both bad, who cares?

Amen! That drums got a big hole in it. You can't beat it anymore.