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    Has anyone noticed that Kent St. is 14-5 (5-1) leading the MAC East? They have a big game coming up this week against Central Michigan who's 14-3 (4-2) in the MAC West, a team that Bradley somehow beat. Funny how things work out huh...

  • #2
    Originally posted by BUfan39 View Post
    Has anyone noticed that Kent St. is 14-5 (5-1) leading the MAC East? They have a big game coming up this week against Central Michigan who's 14-3 (4-2) in the MAC West, a team that Bradley somehow beat. Funny how things work out huh...
    Yes, they will easily win 20+ games again this year for the 3 time in the 4 seasons since Geno Ford left. They also won 20+ games for the 10 straight years before Geno got there. Maybe Geno didn't have as much to do with their success as the people at Bradley who hired him thought. And maybe they should have done a little more background work, but then that could be said about the hiring of the President as well...

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
      ...And maybe they should have done a little more background work...
      Ya think??? But then this is why we supposedly threw away $75K for the top-notch professional search firm - then we go after a guy they didn't even review or recommend...

      ...well, it isn't as if a few of us noticed that way back in 2011 after the first list from the search firm turned it down & went back home...
      To save face in the embarrassing situation of having a head coaching job that they were unable to fill - they jacked up the salary offer to over $700K and signed the first guy they could no matter how few (nonexistent) post-season wins he'd ever had...
      In their haste to save face - they violated laws & contracts and will end up owing plenty more when all's said & done.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by BUfan39 View Post
        Has anyone noticed that Kent St. is 14-5 (5-1) leading the MAC East? They have a big game coming up this week against Central Michigan who's 14-3 (4-2) in the MAC West, a team that Bradley somehow beat. Funny how things work out huh...
        Do you suppose Geno is going to give the Kent State team a scouting report?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
          Yes, they will easily win 20+ games again this year for the 3 time in the 4 seasons since Geno Ford left. They also won 20+ games for the 10 straight years before Geno got there. Maybe Geno didn't have as much to do with their success as the people at Bradley who hired him thought. And maybe they should have done a little more background work, but then that could be said about the hiring of the President as well...
          Weren't their coaches getting hired away because of their success??¦..Geno didn't mess it up in the time he was there either. So as bad as some think he is as a coach he had success at KSU. I don't have the time to research(or care for that matter) but I don't know that all the coaches who left did well afterward??¦.although I doubt they did as poorly as Geno. It didn't work out here.
          Geno won't be the first coach that did well somewhere, move up to a better job and then do poorly. It happens.

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          • #6
            My point is that if those doing the hiring had done their research, maybe they would have learned that much of the success he had at Kent state was because of the groundwork laid by and players recruited by his predecessors (Gary Waters, Stan Heath, and especially Jim Christian). And the key recruiter was Rob Senderoff, who is the one having continued success at Kent State and who has won almost 30 more games in 3 1/2 seasons than Geno has.
            The failure is not just Geno's. There was a failure with the hiring process that caused numerous good candidates to say no or back out, leaving Bradley desperate to take a chance on someone with limited success (no NCAA bids) that may have had more to do with other things than his coaching ability and who had serious contract issues that should have been known.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
              My point is that if those doing the hiring had done their research, maybe they would have learned that much of the success he had at Kent state was because of the groundwork laid by and players recruited by his predecessors (Gary Waters, Stan Heath, and especially Jim Christian). And the key recruiter was Rob Senderoff, who is the one having continued success at Kent State and who has won almost 30 more games in 3 1/2 seasons than Geno has.
              The failure is not just Geno's. There was a failure with the hiring process that caused numerous good candidates to say no or back out, leaving Bradley desperate to take a chance on someone with limited success (no NCAA bids) that may have had more to do with other things than his coaching ability and who had serious contract issues that should have been known.


              And I agree on the hiring process....in fact the last two hiring processes were a joke IMO.....and that has zero to do with Jim Les.......just the process as a whole........

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              • #8
                there are examples of guys with little or no head coaching experience or even college basketball coaching experience at any level...who then were successful...

                One is Jim Boeheim and another is Fred Hoiberg...
                Brad Stevens was hired as assistant at Butler despite virtually zero coaching experience of any kind then promoted to head coach at Butler having never been a head coach anywhere..

                Roughly one in every five D-I schools hires a NEW HEAD COACH each spring (about 60 -65 hires yearly)
                Each guy hired comes in as supposedly the very best guy for the job...but then the guys who were fired to open up those positions did likewise but many turned out to be flops.
                It is an interesting study ....
                some guys who got fired a few other places - then suddenly get successful - Jim Molinari, Jim Crews, Keno Davis, Dan Monson, JL ...

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                • #9
                  One other name...

                  Jay Spoonhaur...at EIU..
                  not saying just yet he's ready for the big time...
                  but Jay is a lifetime basketball guy, knows a ton, but he's only been a head coach in DI for a little over 2 years...

                  BUT - he's taken a perennially bad team and got them winning...
                  in fact they've won 9 of their last 10 and have won SIX road games this year...
                  EIU is 6-1 in the OVC - they won at Indiana State, and looking like a possible post-season team - maybe even NIT if they can get their RPI improved a bit...
                  All this with a roster full of kids who most likely never got a single phone call from an MVC team...

                  A year or two of this and someone from the upper-mid-major level will be calling

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by tornado View Post
                    One other name...

                    Jay Spoonhaur...at EIU..
                    not saying just yet he's ready for the big time...
                    but Jay is a lifetime basketball guy, knows a ton, but he's only been a head coach in DI for a little over 2 years...

                    BUT - he's taken a perennially bad team and got them winning...
                    in fact they've won 9 of their last 10 and have won SIX road games this year...
                    EIU is 6-1 in the OVC - they won at Indiana State, and looking like a possible post-season team - maybe even NIT if they can get their RPI improved a bit...
                    All this with a roster full of kids who most likely never got a single phone call from an MVC team...

                    A year or two of this and someone from the upper-mid-major level will be calling

                    Certainly a thought....

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                    • #11
                      Kent St certainly has no financial problems with their Athletic Dept!

                      BU needs to find a coach with a lot of recruits in his pocket, or, find a
                      coach who will bring a highly acclaimed recruiting assistant with him.

                      A lot easier to improve quickly if a program can upgrade it's personnel
                      quickly.

                      Sorry, no more players who can't play at the top of the MVC clogging
                      up a roster either.

                      If a new guy can bring better players to BU, and BU has to free up roster
                      room to do so, sayonara existing roster.

                      Can't wait years and years for 'Div II potential' guys to graduate.

                      Been a while since BU has had first team all MVC, frosh all MVC, or MVC POY.



                      You can have the best coach, the best alumni, the best student support, the best stadium, but without the best horses, hard to win the race..

                      ..
                      BUilding for the Future

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