Where are the hypocrites?

[LittleBrave]

Why keep bringing up the JL era?

I totally agree. Why bring him up yet again DC??
Thread obviously aimed at JL hypocrites.

[Da Coach]

No, it's aimed at people who are hypocritical. I never brought up JL's name. They were quick to want to talk about "Time for a Change" when a coach was winning 22 games a year, winning NCAA games, placing multiple players on the All MVC teams every year, raising record revenues for the athletic department, and filling the Civic Center for every game. Now those same people think we need several more years.

I am not the one who constantly brings up Jim Les as some kind of justification for accepting a failed program now when massive amounts of money was spent and a high standard was set with the promises made, none of which has happened. Sorry, I hate to keep repeating the predictions I made, and pointing out how every one of them had been proven true, but some people keep denying the fallout and remain oblivious to how bad things are.

Just sayin'...if some people predicted so many things that proved to be accurate, I think an intelligent person might want to stop trying to rip them and find some tiny fault, and maybe start listening to them.

[Disturbed]

While this has been going on for the last four years, I still don't understand why the program is constantly compared to the Jim Les era. He was 154-140 overall and 74-88 in the MVC. His last two seasons they were 16-15 and 12-20 in years 8 and 9 of his tenure. That gets most coaches fired.

[tornado]

can you name another head coach besides JL who got fired for their first losing season over a six-year span and their first and only losing season in a nine year tenure - after having all their own players recruited and who never had a single losing season in which all his assistants were actually of his own choosing?

[Braves2006]

can you name another head coach besides JL who got fired for their first losing season over a six-year span and their first and only losing season in a nine year tenure - after having all their own players recruited and who never had a single losing season in which all his assistants were actually of his own choosing?

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[Buesch N Chips]

can you name another head coach besides JL who got fired for their first losing season over a six-year span and their first and only losing season in a nine year tenure - after having all their own players recruited and who never had a single losing season in which all his assistants were actually of his own choosing?

Quin Snyder at Missouri comes close.

[Da Coach]

While this has been going on for the last four years, I still don't understand why the program is constantly compared to the Jim Les era. He was 154-140 overall and 74-88 in the MVC. His last two seasons they were 16-15 and 12-20 in years 8 and 9 of his tenure. That gets most coaches fired.

Geno's last 2 seasons were 18-17 and 12-20. Just sayin'...


But in reality, even our administration said they did not consider the 2010-11 season when Jim was strapped with the loss of 2 All-MVC starters for the season. So lets please stop using that season as a justification.
So he was basically fired after 5 winning seasons in a row with 102 wins over that span (over 20 wins per season) and numerous quality wins over BCS teams, not to mention the greatest NCAA tournament success in over 50 years. Plus his teams set records for academic successes, and he helped bring in record donations and revenues, which Bradley has not come close to since. It's all pretty much a memory now.

I am not saying bring him back. We are well past that point, and Jim is happy to be gone. But IMO, it was not a well thought out plan. The search and hiring process turned into a circus, we ended up hiring our 7th or 8th choice, not to mention the tremendous damage done by the administration's decision to fight him over the remaining salary he had coming.

But we all know why he was fired. His bosses didn't like him personally, and wanted to remake the basketball program, and athletics in general over in their own image. How is that that working so far? (37-62 and no quality wins in 3 years, and projected for 9th place)

[tornado]

Quin Snyder at Missouri comes close.

well, not really - Snyder's firing was mid-season and had more to do with controversy, rules-breaking, an NCAA investigation, player mutiny, and of course a major league personality rift between him and his AD.
But even if you want to count Snyder - I think my point is clear - if you are going to say JL was fired because he failed to win to your satisfaction - then you'd have to concede he still won more consistently over his final 6 years at BU than just about anyone we could have possibly expected to have hired to replace him - and we are finding that out now the HARD way.

IF Bradley chooses again at any time in the near future - to find a new head coach, then I sure hope we do not use the same manner of selection nor the same people who make the decision, as I think they had their turn and have severely failed to deliver.

[TheAsianSensation]

One can point out 4 straight 20-win seasons for Les.

One can also point out the program regressed in results for 5 straight years following the '06 campaign.

One can point out it's very rare for a coach to get fired after a sub-.500 season when he was above .500 the previous 5 years.

One can also point out how rare it is for a coach to survive at a school for a 10th year when he hasn't cracked the top 30-percentile of the conference standings.

One can point out the absurdity of calling two of those seasons 20-win seasons when new postseason tournaments, not existing in previous years, were responsible for 2 of those.

The arguments can go both ways. They should. Everyone is painting an incomplete picture of the resume.

And I point this out also because of Geno - I don't find the positives (yet) that the previous coach had. Give him this year to work towards it. If we're not close at the end of this year...

[tornado]

but the main point is that we took a really bad turn form bad to worse - and at some point I'd love to see some agreement that we should stop pretending we didn't...
nobody's arguing to rehire JL - just that we need to learn from our past actions and NOT allow this horrible 4-year scenario to happen again

[lefty]

But we all know why he was fired. His bosses didn't like him personally, and wanted to remake the basketball program, and athletics in general over in their own image. How is that that working so far? (37-62 and no quality wins in 3 years, and projected for 9th place)

Of course if it was up to me Mo would still be here....fired one season after
averaging over 18 wins a year the previous 8 with a 1st place finish,4 2nd place finishes and never less than .500 in conference...one NCAA appearance and 5 NIT's......

[CABUFan]

can you name another head coach besides JL who got fired for their first losing season over a six-year span and their first and only losing season in a nine year tenure - after having all their own players recruited and who never had a single losing season in which all his assistants were actually of his own choosing?

How about Barry Hinson? He had far more success in the MVC than Les and still got fired because he couldn't get Mo St. to the next level.

[tornado]

good example - Barry had one down year (just above .500) and was canned...
One difference is that Barry did not have any post-season success.....
but dozens of media gurus came to Barry's defense and called his firing unwarranted...

[Canton BU fan]

It seems to me that JL was a victim of his own success.

[CABUFan]

good example - Barry had one down year (just above .500) and was canned...
One difference is that Barry did not have any post-season success.....
but dozens of media gurus came to Barry's defense and called his firing unwarranted...

And it may have been (especially since his teams arguably got screwed over by the Selection Committee a couple times), but at the end of the day, if you're not at least semi-regularly making the only tournament that matters, you're not a relevant college basketball team. As great as the Sweet 16 run was, JL wasn't able to get us there his last 5 years (or even anywhere close the last 4), so I understood the administration's decision to move on. I think I was on record at the time saying I'd have given him one more year to get back on track, but in retrospect, I think it would have just delayed the inevitable.

Whether Geno is the answer is obviously a completely different story. I've seen very little over the last 3 years that makes me believe he is, but I think he was always going to get a minimum of 4 years, and I'm hoping he makes the most of this season.