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    Will the Braves win 20 games this year or lose 20 games?

  • #2
    Neither

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    • #3
      I think they will have winning record but don't think it will be 20 games

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      • #4
        In another thread, I optimistically predicted 20 wins. However, it would not take much for things to change drastically, and result in a 20-loss season.


        How is that for covering both possibilities?

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        • #5
          20 wins is more than optimism. I don't know if there is a word for it.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Buesch N Chips View Post
            20 wins is more than optimism. I don't know if there is a word for it.
            B&C, look at our schedule... Bradley should easily win 8 or 9 of them. The 7 home games are gimmes. Of the 6 road/neutral games, 1 or 2 of those seem like they could be possible wins. Then if Bradley just goes 9-9 in the MVC, that brings them to 17 or 18 wins. If they can finally win a game in the tournament and go 1-1, they could end up 19-14, or 18-15. If they ended the season with a winning record, I'll bet we buy our way into the CIT again, and that could easily add another 1 or 2 wins.
            We finished with 18 wins in 2013, with a weak team, no shooters, no point guard, and poor rebounding and inside play. And the MVC was much tougher then (Creighton instead of Loyola). If Loyola had been in the MVC one year earlier, it would have been 20 wins.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
              B&C, look at our schedule... Bradley should easily win 8 or 9 of them. The 7 home games are gimmes. Of the 6 road/neutral games, 1 or 2 of those seem like they could be possible wins. Then if Bradley just goes 9-9 in the MVC, that brings them to 17 or 18 wins. If they can finally win a game in the tournament and go 1-1, they could end up 19-14, or 18-15. If they ended the season with a winning record, I'll bet we buy our way into the CIT again, and that could easily add another 1 or 2 wins.
              We finished with 18 wins in 2013, with a weak team, no shooters, no point guard, and poor rebounding and inside play. And the MVC was much tougher then (Creighton instead of Loyola). If Loyola had been in the MVC one year earlier, it would have been 20 wins.
              You take our team, which lost its two top scorers, and the 7 home games, three against teams who ended the year with higher RPIs than ours, and you call them gimmies? How so? Then you say 1 or 2 road games are winnable? Maybe, but can we really expect that sight unseen? 9-9 in the MVC sounds like a pipe dream when I look at the roster.

              We might be very good, but how can anyone actually EXPECT us to be good? Our entire roster is unknowns and potential. And potential, in my neck of the woods, is just city for "Ain't worth a crap yet"

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              • #8
                You are right, that the team is totally unproven with too many new players. And I agree we won't be very good.
                But which of these home non-conference games won't likely we win?-
                Texas Arlington
                Robert Morris
                North Carolina A&T
                Texas A&M Corpus Christi
                Central Michigan
                Eureka
                UIC

                And if we can't go 9-9 in a profoundly weakened MVC in year four of this grand experiment, then the fallout was waaay worse than I or anyone ever imagined.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Buesch N Chips View Post
                  Our entire roster is unknowns and potential. And potential, in my neck of the woods, is just city for "Ain't worth a crap yet"
                  I kinda agree...
                  look at the Valley as a whole -

                  two years ago the MVC had a record number of returning starters - and they were, as a conference, a bit stronger than usual...
                  then last year we had only 22 returning starters - a near-record low - and of course the MVC was weaker last year than just about any season since the 90's
                  I think the number of returnees is a driving force that helps determine the season...

                  In addition - the preseason polls have been remarkably accurate - not precise but consistently accurate...
                  When was the last time BRADLEY - or for that matter - any team was picked at the bottom but instead surprised people and had a GOOD season.

                  I know it happened once in 2007-2008 when Drake surprised people and went 28-5, but they still had no post-season success.
                  But we're already seeing that every preseason prediction and pundit has Bradley in the 7th-10th range this season - that's no guarantee they are right
                  and I certainly hope we do way better than that but - again, when was the last time Bradley finished WELL above where they were picked?

                  If we finish at the bottom of the Valley again then it'll be interesting given how many people have said for 3+ years that once GF has his own players and has rebuilt, then we should be competing for championships. But I am prepared for more of the same and a snow job by the PR people saying they need 5 more years to rebuild.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by tornado View Post
                    I kinda agree...
                    look at the Valley as a whole -

                    two years ago the MVC had a record number of returning starters - and they were, as a conference, a bit stronger than usual...
                    then last year we had only 22 returning starters - a near-record low - and of course the MVC was weaker last year than just about any season since the 90's
                    I think the number of returnees is a driving force that helps determine the season...

                    In addition - the preseason polls have been remarkably accurate - not precise but consistently accurate...
                    When was the last time BRADLEY - or for that matter - any team was picked at the bottom but instead surprised people and had a GOOD season.

                    I know it happened once in 2007-2008 when Drake surprised people and went 28-5, but they still had no post-season success.
                    But we're already seeing that every preseason prediction and pundit has Bradley in the 7th-10th range this season - that's no guarantee they are right
                    and I certainly hope we do way better than that but - again, when was the last time Bradley finished WELL above where they were picked?

                    If we finish at the bottom of the Valley again then it'll be interesting given how many people have said for 3+ years that once GF has his own players and has rebuilt, then we should be competing for championships. But I am prepared for more of the same and a snow job by the PR people saying they need 5 more years to rebuild.
                    I didn't see where he said 5 more years to rebuild??¦??¦.

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                    • #11
                      lefty - go read the "Rebuild" thread that another board has...
                      one guy says it took 15 years to sink to where we are and implies it's take that long to rebuild...
                      while others said last year that when GF finally has all his own players he deserves to be able to coach them 'til they leave - thus 5 more
                      In contrast, in that same thread are people saying things like...
                      " ... The rebuild arc should be much higher at this point. The Geno Ford
                      experiment has been a failure and the future does not look much better."


                      one guy even thinks we need to get to year 6 or 7 before it's fair to judge GF - and it wasn't what they term "a complete rebuild" as
                      all the relevant players stayed, were very good, and many were All-MVC caliber -

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by tornado View Post
                        lefty - go read the "Rebuild" thread that another board has...
                        one guy says it took 15 years to sink to where we are and implies it's take that long to rebuild...
                        while others said last year that when GF finally has all his own players he deserves to be able to coach them 'til they leave - thus 5 more
                        In contrast, in that same thread are people saying things like...
                        " ... The rebuild arc should be much higher at this point. The Geno Ford
                        experiment has been a failure and the future does not look much better."


                        one guy even thinks we need to get to year 6 or 7 before it's fair to judge GF - and it wasn't what they term "a complete rebuild" as
                        all the relevant players stayed, were very good, and many were All-MVC caliber -


                        All kinds of people say all kinds of things...that I understand. I just didn't read where KW said it was going to take 5 more years to rebuild

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by lefty View Post
                          All kinds of people say all kinds of things...that I understand. I just didn't read where KW said it was going to take 5 more years to rebuild

                          For those who don't know what's being referred to- Kirk Wessler wrote a column about last year's team about halfway through last season, on January 8, 2014, when Bradley had just lost a home game they probably should have won to fall to 6-10. In it, he admitted that he "did not expect, at the midpoint of season No. 3 in coach Geno Ford’s rebuild of the BU program, to be looking for glimmers of hope that better days might be ahead."

                          But then he listed several excuses, heaped virtually all the blame on the players ("Lack of leadership among the players", "chaos", "not enough instinctive basketball savvy", "everyone except Lemon lacks the confidence to step up and try to make a play", "not enough more talent", "not as much savvy", "not a single difference-maker", and "there are other problems") and seemed to implore fans to be patient and that the success he expected we'd see by year 3 was not going to happen any time soon , "But it’s going to take longer than expected."
                          "It’s going to take a while."

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                          • #14
                            Coach, good job on the radio this morning. Season coming on fast.
                            What part of illegal don't you understand?

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                            • #15
                              I didn't think anyone under 70 listened!

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