Auston Barnes

[Buesch N Chips]

Thanks for the psychology session.
Why is wanting to know the truth considered negative?
Why do some here attack other posters when you have a different opinion. You are welcome to your opinions if you'd rather not know about possible criminal actions by a player. But apparently those who do want facts are fair game for others for ad hominen attacks.
It may surprise you to know that I would like to see this team win as much as anyone here, and I have put my money where my mouth is.

Everyone WANTS to know, but is that the debate? I think you guys are debating whether you are ENTITLED to know.

[Chico]

Thanks for the psychology session.
Why is wanting to know the truth considered negative?
Why do some here attack other posters when you have a different opinion. You are welcome to your opinions if you'd rather not know about possible criminal actions by a player. But apparently those who do want facts are fair game for others for ad hominen attacks.
It may surprise you to know that I would like to see this team win as much as anyone here, and I have put my money where my mouth is.

I agree. Long time season ticket holders have every right to question anything that pertains to BU basketball. When will these kids ever learn that everything is given to them if they just act civilized and stay out of trouble?

[Da Coach]

Everyone WANTS to know, but is that the debate? I think you guys are debating whether you are ENTITLED to know.

Maybe we disagree, but I agree with what Chico is saying. I happen to believe that long time, loyal donors are entitled to know what is happening.
All this secrecy and shenanigans is just one more thing that is hurting the program and driving fans away.
Personally, I believe the longer this issue drags out, and especially if it drags on into the season, the worse it will be for the PR people at Bradley.

[lefty]

Maybe we disagree, but I agree with what Chico is saying. I happen to believe that long time, loyal donors are entitled to know what is happening.
All this secrecy and shenanigans is just one more thing that is hurting the program and driving fans away.
Personally, I believe the longer this issue drags out, and especially if it drags on into the season, the worse it will be for the PR people at Bradley.

what if the charges are dropped?

[tornado]

and OJ was innocent, too....

Ruffin's case also was not litigated - prosecution was deferred, then his case dismissed when he completed his supervision...

..... so I guess he's off the hook or it never happened?
...also check Taylor Brown - not a single one of the things he was suspended three times for appears in the court record - charges dropped in all of them...
In fact none of the cases this one has been likened to - even Will Egolf - still have the conviction on the court record.

[lefty]

I'm saying how will it be worse for the PR people at BU if the charges are dropped?

[Da Coach]

Obviously that would be the best thing that could happen. But if that was likely, it seems like it would probably have happened already.

[BuB]

There are a lot of people who have donated a lot of money, and have a great deal invested in this program, and I think they deserve to know. Maybe some of the fans who plop down their hard earned money want to know what they are paying for.

Here is my take on this subject.......Bradley appreciates them, but donors do not have the right to know how a coach determines a penalty for a possible violation of team rules. Nor does a donor get to dictate the timeline of such decisions. Each situation is unique and therefor has its own timeline.

Wily, you and I know the details will eventually emerge. Why not get them out now? Why is everything so secretive?

This is true so relax. Bradley currently has multiple other problems. This is not one of them.

Thanks for the psychology session.
Why is wanting to know the truth considered negative?
Why do some here attack other posters when you have a different opinion. You are welcome to your opinions if you'd rather not know about possible criminal actions by a player. But apparently those who do want facts are fair game for others for ad hominen attacks.

Don't play the victim card here. You are not being "attacked"

I happen to believe that long time, loyal donors are entitled to know what is happening.
All this secrecy and shenanigans is just one more thing that is hurting the program and driving fans away.
Personally, I believe the longer this issue drags out, and especially if it drags on into the season, the worse it will be for the PR people at Bradley.

Loyal donors and 1st time donors are appreciated. You already know Bradley offers different levels of giving a donor may choose from. Pick the level you want. The more you give, the more Bradley gives you in return. The donor gets the assigned gift, tickets, privilege, or invitations. Its like a contract complete with terms. Don't like the terms, don't give. Nowhere on the giving chart does Bradley offer donors the right to know possible punishments for infractions or how/why any decisions are made involving a student, athlete, or team. If a donor were to attach such terms/conditions to the donation, it would be returned. The only thing donors of any level are entitled to is the appropriate gift and a receipt.

[Da Coach]

Please read my post. I've been a donor for a long time, and I have never asked for some privileged insider information about coaching decisions. That is not at all what we're talking about.

And as I have said before, if anyone is happy being uninformed about this case, or prefers to ignore it altogether, then that's fine. I won't criticize their right to do so, unlike some who don't seem to want to allow criticism.
But there are fans and supporters who would like to know what happened. Some fans find it curious we were bombarded with information, some of it erroneous, by the newspaper the last time a similar case happened, and now virtually nothing. And it was important to our admins to issue an immediate suspension within 24 hours of the arrest in 2008, even before DR got out of jail. Now 2 months into this, we are still gathering information. It's the inconsistency that bothers some people. The impression it give to fans is that the swift discipline that was demanded before isn't so important now.

[tornado]

How would people rank the most troubling off-court issues we have had with the basketball program in the past 10-12 years?

If you take into account arrests & suspensions then I would doubt many can deny that the worst four offenses are (in no particular order):


-the 2008 case of Ruffin for similar circumstances
-the drug arrest in January that resulted in a 4-game suspension
-this current arrest, imprisonment, and charges for domestic battery
-the serious academic issue that resulted in a 4-game suspension to start the 2013-14 season (it was a serious academic violation for which most always students are expelled!) - and yet this violation got just one tiny mention in the press!

No other issue I can recall resulted in even more than a 1-2 game suspension and none that I am aware of resulted in imprisonment.
If you disagree and think there are some other examples - then please feel free to present your case.

In analyzing them, three have happened just within the past year - so one could definitely wonder if we are seeing a pattern of increasing frequency of serious off-court issues.
Then - two (the first two listed) got tons and tons of fast, frequent, and furious press coverage .. while the 2nd two got extremely little attention by the media.

I can understand why the 4th one got very little press, since that violation was not a matter of any public record and the school has the privacy obligation - although pretty much every BU fan who is anywhere close to being "in the loop" knows exactly why Prosser was disciplined.

So, as you can see - the only serious off court legal issue that got little publicity - is this one.

[lefty]

How would people rank the most troubling off-court issues we have had with the basketball program in the past 10-12 years?

If you take into account arrests & suspensions then I would doubt many can deny that the worst four offenses are (in no particular order):


-the 2008 case of Ruffin for similar circumstances
-the drug arrest in January that resulted in a 4-game suspension
-this current arrest, imprisonment, and charges for domestic battery
-the serious academic issue that resulted in a 4-game suspension to start the 2013-14 season (it was a serious academic violation for which most always students are expelled!) - and yet this violation got just one tiny mention in the press!

No other issue I can recall resulted in even more than a 1-2 game suspension and none that I am aware of resulted in imprisonment.
If you disagree and think there are some other examples - then please feel free to present your case.

In analyzing them, three have happened just within the past year - so one could definitely wonder if we are seeing a pattern of increasing frequency of serious off-court issues.
Then - two (the first two listed) got tons and tons of fast, frequent, and furious press coverage .. while the 2nd two got extremely little attention by the media.

I can understand why the 4th one got very little press, since that violation was not a matter of any public record and the school has the privacy obligation - although pretty much every BU fan who is anywhere close to being "in the loop" knows exactly why Prosser was disciplined.

So, as you can see - the only serious off court legal issue that got little publicity - is this one.

I guess I don't feel the need to rank the seriousness of off court issues

[tornado]

there were also two other academic suspensions in the past year - neither mentioned much - but you don't worry about an increase in all this stuff?
Do you think just maybe all this stuff might have a detrimental effect on a team's play?
People ranted in long threads about silly minor stuff like a coach stomping his foot or turning his back on a player during a timeout - or alleged arguments at the watercooler - and yet really major issues and suspensions aren't worth a concern?
If my kid did any of these things in college (cheating, knocking down drunk women at 2am, buying drugs on the street, talking back to the coach, or skipping classes) - you wouldn't have to wait for the school to impose discipline - I'd see to it...

[Buesch N Chips]

Some fans find it curious we were bombarded with information, some of it erroneous, by the newspaper the last time a similar case happened, and now virtually nothing. And it was important to our admins to issue an immediate suspension within 24 hours of the arrest in 2008, even before DR got out of jail. Now 2 months into this, we are still gathering information. It's the inconsistency that bothers some people. The impression it give to fans is that the swift discipline that was demanded before isn't so important now.

A change in the approach to a problem does not equal inconsistency. If there wan an incident next year where the paper went hog wild i.e. Ruffin, that would be inconsistency. Maybe you're right and the PJS is coddling Geno and crew, but I'm willing to wait and see on this one.

[tornado]

There is inconsistency but how about ironic? We had constant articles & media coverage reminding us of BU's discipline issues before (now some say it's off limits)

Here's an article by Dave Reynolds from 2010 in which he made a comparison between BU & Creighton starting off by comparing the discipline issues of Jim Les vs. discipline issues of Dana Altman...

In summary..
BU was bad and had gobs of discipline issues..
Creighton was good and had "non-existent" discipline issues (exact words DR used)

-first, I think he was incredibly wrong with that assessment - and my response in 2010 proves it, but

-anyway - now the irony ..........four years later - Altman has possibly the worst track record of arrests & dismissals in all of DI!!!

[Buesch N Chips]

There is inconsistency but how about ironic? We had constant articles & media coverage reminding us of BU's discipline issues before (now some say it's off limits)

Here's an article by Dave Reynolds from 2010 in which he made a comparison between BU & Creighton starting off by comparing the discipline issues of Jim Les vs. discipline issues of Dana Altman...

In summary..
BU was bad and had gobs of discipline issues..
Creighton was good and had "non-existent" discipline issues (exact words DR used)

-first, I think he was incredibly wrong with that assessment - and my response in 2010 proves it, but

-anyway - now the irony ..........four years later - Altman has possibly the worst track record of arrests & dismissals in all of DI!!!

DC you should read some of your posts in that old thread.