Embarrassing Bradley stat

[BU212121]

Finding mid season rpi to make a point about rpi is embarrassing. Clearly when evaluating rpi the end of season number is the one that matters.

Years ago maybe even in the Waltman era Indiana state had the #1 rpi in the country in week 1.

Point being rpi totals should only be recognized at the end of the year.

This team is bad. Last years team was bad. Year 1 was bad. Les's 1st 3 years and his last year were pretty bad with a few solid years in the middle.

These last 4 years however have been unbearable to watch

[bu fan 9]

That's why we need a coaching change. We will get more of the same next year why not make the change now?

[molar50]

That's why we need a coaching change. We will get more of the same next year why not make the change now?

There will not be a coaching change until Geno's contract is over. Bradley cannot afford to buy Geno out of his contract. I still have hope things will improve next season, but realistically I expect more of the same. The most important ingredient in the success of a basketball program is how well you recruit.

[cpacmel]

Oh, I see what you are doing. You are cherry picking and parsing selected points during that 2010-11 season, when we all knew the team was handicapped by the loss of 2 All-MVC starters. I am sure if you are going to do that, we could probably cherry pick other points early in some seasons where the RPI was high, but I apologize if the way it was worded caused confusion for you, even though I am certain you knew exactly what was meant.
I guess I should never be surprised when somebody goes to extraordinary extremes to try to prove that something I said was not quite accurate. But, as you surely know, and as everyone else knows, I was referring to the information posted above, which is still factually correct and I stand by it- that the current RPI (242), as well as the RPI in Geno's first full season (266) are both significantly worse than the RPI in any season under Jim Les.
And that is despite the fact it cannot be blamed on injuries, as the 2010-11 season clearly was.

I did not cherry pick anything.

You said at any time during Jim Les era. For 6 weeks in a row in the 2010-2011 season, the RPI is worse. THAT IS A FACT.

I don't have a dog in this fight. I am not sticking up for Ford over Les. Just sticking up for the FACTS. Something that IMO, is a short in this debate .

It is alittle strange that the comparison your making is Geno Ford's 14th week in this season vs Jim Les' FINAL RPI's for all his seasons though.

But whatever. Carry on....

[Da Coach]

Weren't you just a little bit embarrassed to make such a miniscule, picky point?

Again, I apologize if the way the statement was worded confused you, but you did know what was meant, didn't you? It seems everyone else did.

I have not fudged any facts like Bravetime33 did by claiming Jim Les had only 8 road wins his first 3 years. I carefully research every fact I post.
And no I did not check the week-by-week RPI, because quite simply, nobody would ever think that was what was meant, and as BU212121 said, it is completely irrelevant.
The reason I am using the current RPI for Bradley is pretty simple. That is all we have right now. We do not have the end-of-year RPI yet. Again, I suspect everyone here, including you, actually knew that, but then there wouldn't be any picky little gotcha-minutia to harp about.

Most message boards would classify your whole issue as flaming or trolling, so be warned, it is against our rules here.

[tornado]

...How far has this board fallen?

when a fan's greater concern is "how far has a board fallen" and not --
how far has the program fallen then I think we have a fan who cares little about the program and only about nitpicking...

[bu fan 9]

It will cost BU more to keep him. How many season ticket have we lost since the Geno Era started? Big money donors? Sponsors?Hell they can't even put a TV package together. It will be cheaper to buy him out.

[tornado]

but then do we make the same mistake and go thru the exact same process in hiring again - tell me what hires - in ANY sport - made at Bradley in the past 5-7 years HAVE resulted in success of any kind?

[bu fan 9]

Good point Tornado. But could it be worse?

[BuAlum03]

My concern is the program. We have divergent views about what its future is. I am completely comfortable with that, my views shouldn't really be relevant on what yours are. I know yours don't really matter to me.

I also know that you were distorting facts. Call it nitpicking if you'd like, if that makes you feel better about misrepresenting truth to try to make a point, that's cool. You are eloquent enough in other posts that I don't buy it was a simple typo. I don't find Cpacmel's research to be silly at all. I really don't need to get in a fight about it, and I sleep well at night.

As for this - or any - board, I can and will comment on them when i'm on them. I rarely come here anymore due to the overwhelming negativity surrounding the coach, the administration, the attendance, etc. etc. It used to be a positive place I enjoyed reading, but the shift in tone coincidentally coincided with a coaching change. And that shift has driven me, and many others, away. But I'm a solid Libertarian, and I strongly support the owners rights to say whatever they want on this board.

Now, as for the root of your posts - you're not happy with where the program is. Neither am I. But just as I advocated for the last coach to get plenty of time to make his mark, I am doing the same for coach Ford. If he proves he can't get it done, then I won't be shedding a tear when he's gone. I think he deserves at least one more year, and probably two. That's my opinion.

I also don't think that the timing or even overall decision to fire Les has the same causal relationship to our current woes as you do. You seem to think that firing Les was a mistake and we're paying the price now for that mistake. I think that firing Les was a mistake too, but I think it was a mistake because it should have been done a year or two earlier. I am 100% aware of any statistic you may throw out to support your supposition, and I could throw out plenty of my own. But I really don't feel like rehashing the tired Les divide... do you? We can agree to disagree.

[mvcfan]

Pretty good argument. The amount of Les bias is pretty funny. Facts are facts injuries happen to everybody. Look down the road to the team that has an RPI of 109 and has lost a couple key pieces and has a whole new roster. Ford has struggled more then I thought he would and more then most on here thought he would. Hopefully he continues to stick with it and progress occurs.

[CubbieBear]

That's why we need a coaching change. We will get more of the same next year why not make the change now?

+1...

[Da Coach]

To repeat- there was never any intention to deceive. I think the overwhelming portion of those reading know that. Sorry if you felt "deceived". The point is still valid. I have no reason to exaggerate or falsify facts as they are bad enough on their own.
It is nowhere similar to Bravetime33 posting a significantly lower number for the number of wins by Jim Les in his first 3 years.
The facts are clear- unless we win out, the number of losses in these last 3 seasons will break a 111 year old Bradley basketball record for any previous coach in any 3-year period. The 25 losses in 2012 already set an all-time record. The RPI numbers will also set all-time records, as will the number of blowouts, and maybe the number of times in a row playing on Thursday night. The turnover on the roster looks like it's going to be unprecedented. And the dropoff in attendance and financial support dwarfs anything Bradley has ever seen before. I am happy there are some fans that are encouraged. Most fans I know are very discouraged and are bailing out. For the record, I hope Geno gets things turned around, but fans are getting tired of losing and continuous rebuilding.

[CubbieBear]

when a fan's greater concern is "how far has a board fallen" and not --
how far has the program fallen then I think we have a fan who cares little about the program and only about nitpicking...

ia

This board has become an absolute farce--mis-information & then defensive when wrong--any criticism of JL or JC gets pulled off--I am DONE with this garbage--I will still support our team as woeful as we have become and know we need new leadership at the VERY top before we have any chance of recovery--but I am done with all the slants/bias/and mis-information that is generated here---Toodles for good

[tornado]

I think everyone is biased - biased by whatever you have ever seen, heard, or learned in the past - but the difference lies in how our biases are formed

I am always amused by comments like "this place is biased but I am not" or "your opinions cannot be valid because you are biased and I am not".

I guess I wish I had a dime for everyone who proclaimed "I'm gone" or "I'm bidding a find farewell" but who came back - sometimes under a different name - so whatever....it's a free country - nobody's required to come here nor arrested if they don't. I don't bother to throw a tantrum about a website I do not like - I simply leave - and do not visit there.

But it is the voluminous facts, information, and accurate reports that fill BradleyFans which are what you will never see anywhere else...