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LOL - Big 12 guy (and ex-UNI-guy) claiming SEC cheats.....does the guy have any idea how many players from the Big 12 have been caught doing drugs and taking $$?
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Many of those were from Nebraska, Missouri, and Texas A&M which have moved on to new conferences for more money.Originally posted by tornado View Post
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CUSA - whose schools do all play football....
says they are open to paying their athletes...BUT only up to the cost of their education.....only the extra ~$2000 it costs the average kid on his own for stuff...
BUT they do also issue this warning that "abuse" of the rules allowing paying players could ruin the whole landscape of college sports ...
" ... any new NCAA governance structure, including autonomy by the Power Five conferences,
needs to provide a cap on full cost of attendance to each athlete to prevent an arms race of paying players.
"Ultimately, there has got to be regulation around it," Banowsky said. "If someone is trying to blow off the ceiling on
(cost of attendance) and pay above it and figure out a mechanism around it, then there needs to be some sort of enforcement element."Comment
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paying players and letting them have a taste of the revenue that the big schools make is going to turn into a nightmare..
Colleges don't make NFL-type money but you're gonna have everyone demanding it then suing for it once the money starts flowing and the lawyers get involved...Comment
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Sayonara NCAA
IF the big boys form their own league within the NCAA, what use do they have for the NCAA in the future?
They will cut out the middle man (NCAA) and manage their own 'league' to maximize profits...
The NCAA will be the 'amateur' organization (much scaled down), and, the big boys will be the 'semi pro' organization - minor leagues for MLB, the NFL, and the NBA ...
The concept of colleges as developers of athletic skills and competition for teen agers and young adults in exchange for education is going the way of the horse and buggy.
I suspect young adult sports in the US will look like Europe's approach in the future.BUilding for the Future
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I find it funny that a number of posters here endorse the idea of "free market enterprise" and then become disgusted at its results.
This is free market enterprise. What....exactly did you expect?Comment
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I think even the strongest "free market" people still believe there is a place for regulation when the strongest entities try to muscle out the weaker competitors using unfair means. That is why we have a ton of anti-trust laws in this country, to keep the powerful entities from using their financial might and legislative influence to squeeze competitors out of the market.Originally posted by algotrader View Post
Isn't that exactly what is happening? The NCAA is governed by the vote of its members, the majority of which are not members of the Big 5 power conference members.Comment
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here's where I disagree -Originally posted by algotrader View Post
college sports have survived and thrived for 125 years based on amateurism...
The players for all that time have been amateurs - they are not paid, and teams are not built by money coming from whoever can pay the most.
algo - there have always been pro sports - so if someone wants to play for money then they are 100% free to go play for the highest bidder...
BUT by agreement upon joining the NCAA - every school who is a member has ALWAYS AGREED VOLUNTARILY to follow the amateur model and abide by the rules.
so - this is NOT the free market -- any more than joining a church or a club or the N.O.W. is such a FREE MARKET where the joining members should come in then expect to have their demands for endless rule changes satisfied.
If you join and agree to abide by the rules THEN gain tremendous benefits and rewards from your membership - then I see it as incredibly greedy for those who have benefited the most to conspire, join together, and then stomp on the rest to change the rules and force the "outsiders" to pay homage to and serve the "insiders".
Note none of the BCS-schools want to LEAVE the NCAA - they just want to use their might & power to hijack it, and conform it to their whims so they can greedily benefit even more.
I am just calling it as I see it...
And even then I have never once said they don't have the right to do what they are doing - I am only pointing out how selfish, damaging and destructive it might be to certain schools and perhaps even to themselves.
The title IX people pulled the similar actions four decades ago - and yet here we are almost 45 years later and the benefits from Title IX are few while the damage has been huge. That's a different topic if you want to go into it but likely a minimum of 2000 different sports programs in D-I have disappeared due to Title IX - tens of thousands of athletes have lost the chance at scholarships and even a shot at the pros...
while the actual number of such slots created for women might be close to zero....and they may have happened on their own without Title IX as many agree since women have also made gains almost everywhere even when there is NO such legislation. In other words - they won their battle but all of amateur sports lost the war - & I predict it's going to happen again.
if you like seeing men's tennis disappear at BU - let's see what happens soon - and you'll see why Dr. Cross has met with, consulted with, and visited numerous DIII campuses to see what we are going to have to stay alive in the near future.Comment
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The bigger schools say paying college athletes is the direction college sports is going and they need to adjust. I say they just are using that as an excuse to grab more power for their own personal gain. The NCAA has laws in place. They just need to follow them. Crack down on the lawbreakers instead of letting them get away with it. They need more enforcement powers to make the lawbreakers talk. They don't have that now. They have no subpoena powers. A lot of times they must rely on breaking newstories to gather evidence.Originally posted by tornado View PostComment
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I don't know that they are forcing anyone out of the market. In all actuality, if they leave the NCAA they would add a new competitor to the market, quite the opposite really.Originally posted by Da Coach View PostSungani umoyo womseko na wokonda waumbiri anznga.Comment
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That may be, but I don't believe any schools are actually leaving the NCAA.Originally posted by ChewaBrave View Post
But their threats are forcing the NCAA to cave in to their demands, and allow the minority to set the rules on how the money is distributed and how Division I is organized. And of course, they will take a bigger cut of the money for themselves.
I see it as very similar to what big corporations did in the early 1900's before the US passed a series of anti-trust laws, which virtually every country has now adopted to preserve fair competition.Comment
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in order to stop the big boys from leaving and forming their own completely separate organization (like NCAA vs. NAIA, or like when there was NBA vs. ABA or in the 1940's & early 50's NIT vs. NCAA)
...as Da Coach said, the NCAA is "handing the BCS schools the keys" - basically letting them make up their own rules and thus have a separate compartment of NCAA - just to appease them so they don't leave.
NCAA still wants to have them under the roof even if they are "all grown up and don't want to live by the NCAA's rules".
I am just calling at as I see it ............so please don't blame me when each news report about what's happening is exactly what many predicted -
hurting everyone except the 70 or big-boy schools with big FOOTBALL, but while generating money, will still cause the loss of fans, the loss of historic rivalries,
and the influx of corporate greed, agents, shoe money, even gambling influence, and all the corruption that then follows...causing it to collapse under it's own weight.
As long as the $$ satisfies, then those pocketing it will smile & say it's working great - but that's what all the big-wigs at Enron, GM, Lehman Brothers, Chrysler, the city of Detroit, Bernie Madoff's investors, all those people buying stocks on margin in 1929, and the entire nation of Greece were thinking...Comment
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I actually don't disagree with most of what your saying, there just isn't any other way, lol. The concerns of the power leagues are very different. Honestly, the fact that the power schools and the rest haven't splintered over football already is actually kind of amazing.
However people could make the argument that allowing conferences to govern themselves with out the monopoly NCAA controlling the whole beast (or trying too anyway) is just flat out a better way to do it.
Without to much huff, it is interesting seeing the outcry here. When Greed is referred to in a positive light it's "the invisible hand", "free market principles", "economic efficiency". It's only ever called Greed when we aren't getting what we want.
College basketball as we know it is dying. For many schools, Likely it will return to a simpler model that is probably MUCH closer to the original model as it was designed once upon a time. And they you'll have the power players. I mean in all honesty there are already multiple divisions, this board just didn't care much about the little guys because we were on the inside looking out at them - it appears that won't be the case too much longer.Sungani umoyo womseko na wokonda waumbiri anznga.Comment
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Yes,the biggest difference is that the power schools have incredible amounts of money, and they want more, while the midmajors' athletic departments have to work hard to keep from losing money and many of them do.Originally posted by ChewaBrave View Post
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Here is another thing I see likely to happen at more schools. SMU sold nearly $350,000 worth of alcohol at their home games this year, and they did not start selling booze until January, when the newly-renovated arena was reopened!
Look for more and more schools, including state schools, to find a way to get into the sale of alcohol at games.
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