Illinois State schedule

[tornado]

... Are you saying ISU's schedule this season is going to be worse than that?

nobody has been more honest, accurate, and consistent on this topic than I have.
Feel free to pull up any post I have ever made but you will see that when Bradley's schedule is bad I call it bad, when it is weak I call it weak, and when ISU's schedule is weak I call it weak.

It is not strong this season - one game against one team that made the NCAA last year but didn't even win their conference bid - doesn't wipe out all those D-II caliber & probable 300RPI teams on that schedule.
Who really knows but I would not be surprised if BU's SOS is better

[tornado]

hey - one more thing -- last year when many picked ISU for the top of the MVC - some even giving ISU 1st place votes - just who was it that most strongly countered that silliness with the common sense that ISU was no where near that good - that their schedule for years had been extremely soft - and that ISU would greatly underperform despite have TWO all-league caliber players..

Just who said repeatedly that the MVC only had TWO tough, good teams and that all the rest were mediocre to weak...
I stated boldly that two of the Valley's team only would make the NCAA and that one might even make a DEEP run but that the rest of the MVC would show itself to be far closer to average than outstanding.

a lot of people dared to rip on my predictions that only two MVC teams were post-season worthy and the rest were overrated and far weaker than they were being hyped - by those (including Doug Elgin) who repeated claimed the MVC would get as many as FOUR teams in the NCAA?

Well - guess what happened - only two did show themselves to be NCAA worthy - and one of those faltered early in the NCAA while one did indeed make a deep run just as I had predicted...

All the rest - even down to the bottom of the league played poorly down the stretch, pretty much every team except CU & WSU - even those TOP preseason PICKS like ISU & Indiana State ended up near or below .500........disappointing (but perfectly predicted)
...and showed (if they even had the opportunity) in the post-season that they were hardly world-beaters.

Nobody more accurately saw the MVC teams and their schedules for what they were or predicted more accurately exactly what was going to happen than I did despite the heavy opposition from those who claimed the MVC was extremely powerful and would send multiple teams deep into the NCAA.

[cpacmel]

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It is not strong this season - one game against one team that made the NCAA last year but didn't even win their conference bid - doesn't wipe out all those D-II caliber & probable 300RPI teams on that schedule.

Some really warped logic here. So because VCU didn't win their conference bid, they weren't good?

You know who else didn't win their conference bid? WICHITA STATE!

Probable 300 RPI teams?

Last year's RPI's

VCU 26

Tenn State 106
Dayton 115

Vermont 138

San Fran 161
Northwestern 164
Oakland 166
Manhatten 185

DePaul 204
Drexel 206

Chicago State 321

[tornado]

cpac - read my lips - I said you have one good team there - VCU -- if it's warped - it is because YOU are also saying they are the only really strong team........no need to argue about VCU - I am agreeing with you

[TheAsianSensation]

ISU's schedule is better than BU's schedule. The margin isn't great - it's reasonably close, but ISU's is better. It's better, but slightly below average overall. If that qualifies as weak for you, ok.

The reason it's better is actually because of RPI 300+ avoidance, the very thing that Bradley is doing poorly right now. I think you're going to see many 150-225 opponents for ISU. Still, anything is an upgrade over the Jank Era.

I'll put the O/U on ISU's non-con SoS at 200 and BU's at 250.

As for tornado, you know what? I'll give him credit, he had a pretty good bead on last year's Valley. I think the disagreement is more about whether having 2 bigtime teams made the Valley season a success more than the other 8 made it a failure. I think the Valley had a big big year because of the top 2 despite what the other 8 did. But he had individual teams pegged.

Now I'm just trying to figure out why it has anything to do with the current discussion.

[cpacmel]

cpac - read my lips - I said you have one good team there - VCU -- if it's warped - it is because YOU are also saying they are the only really strong team........no need to argue about VCU - I am agreeing with you

Okay.

You also said this:

D-II caliber & probable 300RPI teams

Outside of Chicago State, who are the D-II caliber and probable 300 RPI teams?

[cpacmel]

ISU's schedule is better than BU's schedule. The margin isn't great - it's reasonably close, but ISU's is better. It's better, but slightly below average overall. If that qualifies as weak for you, ok.

The reason it's better is actually because of RPI 300+ avoidance, the very thing that Bradley is doing poorly right now. I think you're going to see many 150-225 opponents for ISU. Still, anything is an upgrade over the Jank Era.

I'll put the O/U on ISU's non-con SoS at 200 and BU's at 250.

Well said. And I certainly don't think many are touting ISU's schedule as AWESOME or of the highest caliber.

Sorry, but I just don't see this schedule as one of the 10 worst in D I.

[tornado]

the SF teams - there's a poss one is gonna have to be a D-II as most DI teams are already booked up


What I see on ISU's schedule is perhaps one non-con opponent that will have an RPI under 100 - and maybe only one under 150
That is exactly what Bradley had last year, and it translated to one of the worst non-con schedules in all of D-I

[cpacmel]

the SF teams - there's a poss one is gonna have to be a D-II as most DI teams are already booked up


What I see on ISU's schedule is perhaps one non-con opponent that will have an RPI under 100 - and maybe only one under 150
That is exactly what Bradley had last year, and it translated to one of the worst non-con schedules in all of D-I

Well I am going to have to agree to disagree with you here.

The San Fran teams that ISU is scheduled to play against are Vermont and the Host team San Fran, and one team TBD. Can't speak on the TBD, but both Vermont and San Fran should be as good as they were last year or BETTER.

Vermont (RPI of 138 ) returns it's top 6 players from last year.

San Fran (RPI of 161) returns 7 of their top 8 players. Their 3rd leading scorer (11 ppg) is their only loss.

[64NIT]

FWIW, the Puerta Vallarta tourney is starting to fill out. There are five teams in the field so far as per Tulane, one of the participants who has also released their schedule.

http://www.bloggingthebracket.com/2012/12/7/3739262/2013-14-college-basketball-early-season-tournaments-events-MTE

http://www.tulanegreenwave.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/tul-m-baskbl-sched.html

I'm wondering why tourneys are scrambling at this time of year to fill their fields, especially those that are played yearly, such as the Mexico tourney. They should book teams at least a year in advance. I think the Alaska Shootout books their teams 2-3 years in advance.

Just my $0.02. As I said above, FWIW.

[Da Coach]

The problem is that nearly every team that agrees to be a participant, does so with an opt-out clause dependent on several factors- who the other teams are, which of them they get to play, and how the rest of their schedule comes together. Unfortunately, most teams end up pulling out because they don't like the other teams they get matched with, or they don't like the uncertainty, or they need the dates because something better becomes available to them. These smaller tournaments are not big money makers, and many of them have folded, including the Alaskan Top of the World Tournament.

[LongTimeFan]

I'm more interested in the MVC results by both teams. I'm assuming the SOS will probably be changing for both teams during the season.

[Da Coach]

I'm more interested in the MVC results by both teams. I'm assuming the SOS will probably be changing for both teams during the season.

Yes, so far all we can go by is last year's RPI and SOS. Those numbers will change some as this year progresses, but it is still able to be predicted.

[mvcfan]

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1209283_10151687306738248_1434067464_n.jpg

Here is ISU's schedule

[tornado]

..one team TBD. ...

the SF teams - there's a poss one is gonna have to be a D-II ...

Indeed as predicted the final team in ISU's San Francisco tourey is a Division II -
Sonoma State - who are coming off an 11-16 season.