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who'd have thunk it..Matt Shaw had never graduated! (finished playing in 2008!)
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who'd have thunk it..Matt Shaw had never graduated! (finished playing in 2008!) -
It is tough when kids have classes remaining like Shaw, but have contracts overseas. Tough for a kid to turn down a couple 100 Thousand dollars to finish up school. Hope he gets his degree and helps the Dogs out. I think the league is better when SIU is good.
I also think the transfer crap is bogus. I'm not sure the APR does much but penalize schools when they change coaches. -
Nearly every team changes coaches, and most teams have more players who leave to play pro than SIU has had.
Matt Shaw didn't sign with a pro team until the end of July, 2008, well after his class graduated-
And he didn't leave for a couple more months after that. So I have a hard time buying the excuse about kids playing pro. Bradley has had a lot of players play overseas after their Bradley career, and nearly all of them finished their work and graduated before they left school.
The bigger problem was the lack of emphasis on academics at SIU, and their excessive penchant for recruiting jucos, transfers, discipline problems, and academic disasters.
Here in this article from last year, Barry Hinson blamed the problem on inheriting too many kids with academic problems and discipline issues.
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in addition to the four years he was at SIU plus all the summers, Matt Shaw also spent the whole last year on campus as post-grad assistant
for Barry Hinson - so it's still puzzling how come it took so long to get his bachelors degree -
lots of kids like Matt Roth and Sam Maniscalco got all their undergrad work done in 4 years or less..because they have all those summers on campus under scholarship..
Anyway - I thought the APR could be improved only if a kid gets his degree in less than six years from enrollment?
Note all these different references that say you have to finish your degree in six years or less to count towards the APR & GSR...per NCAA...
If this is the case, then how could Matt Shaw getting his bachelors degree help in any way - it's been over eight years for him?
"defined as the six-year proportion of those student-athletes who graduated .."
"six-year rate of graduation.."
"Earning a degree in six years would help a team with its GSR ..but the APR's goal is graduation in five years.."
"Teams with scores below 925—which correlates roughly to a 50-percent
success rate in graduating players within six years—can lose scholarships."
".. the only data that is relevant is whether the student athlete graduates within six years of enrolling in the institution. ...
This is why the data in any given year is cited as the success for the past six years.
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I understand what you are saying Da Coach, but seriously, I live in Southern Missouri and follow the Missouri State Bears as well as Bradley. In all honesty, you could say Hinson left an APR mess for Cuonzo Martin when he took over the Bears. If you were to do a deep dive into the data you would see Martin got hit by kids who transfered out when Hinson left and kids he took a "flyer" on in the late signing period after he was hired who transferred and either haven't graduated yet or the jury is still out.Originally posted by Da Coach View PostNearly every team changes coaches, and most teams have more players who leave to play pro than SIU has had.
Matt Shaw didn't sign with a pro team until the end of July, 2008, well after his class graduated-
And he didn't leave for a couple more months after that. So I have a hard time buying the excuse about kids playing pro. Bradley has had a lot of players play overseas after their Bradley career, and nearly all of them finished their work and graduated before they left school.
The bigger problem was the lack of emphasis on academics at SIU, and their excessive penchant for recruiting jucos, transfers, discipline problems, and academic disasters.
Here in this article from last year, Barry Hinson blamed the problem on inheriting too many kids with academic problems and discipline issues.
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebaske...-trouble-again
But if you look at Hinson's graduation record it looks flawless, so what gives. I think the APR is a good metric, but in the current landscape of kids transferring and coaching changes, it becomes another metric by which the NCAA penalizes universities for taking chances on academic risk kids, which I personally disagree with, and doesn't penalize the money pumping exploitation machines in the BCS leagues. I mean look at what it took to penalize UCONN. Their data is disgusting. Kentucky has a nice number.
As far as Bradley goes, I think they should be proud of their academic record, but based on this metric it could quickly go south for the Braves too.Comment
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Also, didn't Bradley recruit Matt Shaw?Comment
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SIU's roster this coming season will have nine new guys who did not play last year
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I do not think that Bradley recruited Shaw, though it is possible.Originally posted by Garland 22 View Post
I checked several recruiting sites that go back that far (high school class of 2004) and none of them list Bradley.
Here is what Scout.com shows-
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This Rivals article says he picked SIU over St. Louis U., and Stanford.-
Of a couple other premium sites, none list Bradley.Comment
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not like they will be making the postseason soon anywaysComment
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