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  • #31
    Originally posted by Future Walk-On View Post
    I'd rather have 2 Drakes...

    this sucks and UIC sucks

    Once Wichita even hints at leaving we need to leave too
    Leave? Where would we go? It's not like we have invitations to the Big East or ACC laying on Dr. Cross' desk. I am pretty sure there aren't any invitations sitting there, so if we pull out, we'd be an independent with nobody to play.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
      Leave? Where would we go? It's not like we have invitations to the Big East or ACC laying on Dr. Cross' desk. I am pretty sure there aren't any invitations sitting there, so if we pull out, we'd be an independent with nobody to play.
      A-10 is a much more aggressive and progressive conference that has shown it's firmly committed to Basketball. ...Meanwhile the MVC is actually considering UIC...

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      • #33
        Originally posted by amckillip View Post
        A-10 is a much more aggressive and progressive conference that has shown it's firmly committed to Basketball. ...Meanwhile the MVC is actually considering UIC...
        The A-10 is the only option anyone ever mentions, which by itself shows how few options we actually have. The A-10 might be a slightly better conference than the MVC in recent years, but with all the changes they will be going through, who knows what it's future is. It's not like they have been around for 100+ years like the MVC, and they change members every couple years as opposed to the MVC which rarely changes. There are few natural or geographical rivals for BU in the A-10, and they will be losing their best teams over the next couple years. Every road trip would involve thousands of miles of travel, and I don't think Bradley fans would ever get excited about rivalries with Fordham, UMass, Richmond, Rhode Island, Duquesne, St. Bonny's, etc. IMO, it would be a huge mistake. Bradley would be the redheaded stepchild of the A-10, and recruiting in the midwest to play in an Eastern conference would be difficult. Fan interest is already at an all-time low, and switching conferences could kill it further. It would be another step in the demise of our once proud basketball program.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
          The A-10 is the only option anyone ever mentions, which by itself shows how few options we actually have. The A-10 might be a slightly better conference than the MVC in recent years, but with all the changes they will be going through, who knows what it's future is. It's not like they have been around for 100+ years like the MVC, and they change members every couple years as opposed to the MVC which rarely changes. There are few natural or geographical rivals for BU in the A-10, and they will be losing their best teams over the next couple years. Every road trip would involve thousands of miles of travel, and I don't think Bradley fans would ever get excited about rivalries with Fordham, UMass, Richmond, Rhode Island, Duquesne, St. Bonny's, etc. IMO, it would be a huge mistake. Bradley would be the redheaded stepchild of the A-10, and recruiting in the midwest to play in an Eastern conference would be difficult. Fan interest is already at an all-time low, and switching conferences could kill it further. It would be another step in the demise of our once proud basketball program.
          I think the end game we need to be working on is a merger of A10 and MVC to try and solidify the type of conference that will be the top basketball only mid-major conference. It could be split into East and West to keep costs down on non basketball programs.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by alczervik75 View Post
            I think the end game we need to be working on is a merger of A10 and MVC to try and solidify the type of conference that will be the top basketball only mid-major conference. It could be split into East and West to keep costs down on non basketball programs.
            I was just going to post something along these lines as I was scrolling down. Seems like a pretty good option.
            ... At the end, of the storm, there's a golden sky. And the sweet silver song of the lark. Walk on, through the wind, walk on, through the rain, though your dreams be tossed, and blown. Walk on, Walk on with hope in your hearts, and you'll never walk alone!
            I'm behind you 100% Bradley Braves, You'll Never Walk Alone! BEAT STATE!

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            • #36
              Originally posted by BUFanatic View Post
              I was just going to post something along these lines as I was scrolling down. Seems like a pretty good option.
              It would definitely help long-term survival for the "mid-major" schools.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by PeoriaLou View Post
                It would definitely help long-term survival for the "mid-major" schools.
                Except then it only means 1 automatic bid for 16-20 schools. I'm amazed the big shots of the BCS haven't thought of this and forced a low and mid major shuffle into only about 10 conferences so they have about 16 automatic qualifiers in the field.

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                • #38
                  I will say I'd miss the tourney in St. Louis though. Not that i've ever gone yet but I had planned to eventually. It would also make BU have to choose a conference like the Pioneer League or go Independent in FCS if they ever re-instated football (like my pipe dream haha). Then there's always hockey, I've thought that BU could have done well in D-I hockey but they would have to either be independent or join yet ANOTHER conference as the Pioneer League doesn't have hockey. Hey, though, if the Rivermen leave town we've got an open market for hockey at the PCC hehe
                  ... At the end, of the storm, there's a golden sky. And the sweet silver song of the lark. Walk on, through the wind, walk on, through the rain, though your dreams be tossed, and blown. Walk on, Walk on with hope in your hearts, and you'll never walk alone!
                  I'm behind you 100% Bradley Braves, You'll Never Walk Alone! BEAT STATE!

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by BUBalum05 View Post
                    Except then it only means 1 automatic bid for 16-20 schools. I'm amazed the big shots of the BCS haven't thought of this and forced a low and mid major shuffle into only about 10 conferences so they have about 16 automatic qualifiers in the field.
                    This is a good point. You would hope that league would be good enough to be a mult-bid league, but it's not a guarantee.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
                      The A-10 is the only option anyone ever mentions, which by itself shows how few options we actually have. The A-10 might be a slightly better conference than the MVC in recent years, but with all the changes they will be going through, who knows what it's future is. It's not like they have been around for 100+ years like the MVC, and they change members every couple years as opposed to the MVC which rarely changes. There are few natural or geographical rivals for BU in the A-10, and they will be losing their best teams over the next couple years. Every road trip would involve thousands of miles of travel, and I don't think Bradley fans would ever get excited about rivalries with Fordham, UMass, Richmond, Rhode Island, Duquesne, St. Bonny's, etc. IMO, it would be a huge mistake. Bradley would be the redheaded stepchild of the A-10, and recruiting in the midwest to play in an Eastern conference would be difficult. Fan interest is already at an all-time low, and switching conferences could kill it further. It would be another step in the demise of our once proud basketball program.
                      I think it's well documented we don't often agree on BU basketball but I agree with this post 100%. We would be like the redheaded stepchild. I have gone on record that I don't think the answer is UIC either.Not sure what the answer is because I'm not privy to who may be interested but certainly hope its someone MUCH better than UIC.

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                      • #41
                        Wily, after looking into a lot of other factors, I think UIC could work for the Valley. They are a quality school, have excellent academics, and do have some good quality sports programs. In fact, their men's basketball has made it to the NCAA tournament 3 times in the last 15 years- which is more than most of the Missouri Valley teams. Just the presence they would give the MVC in a major city might be worth it. The top media market currently in the Valley is Omaha- which isn't even in the Top 50 nationally (it is around 70th). Chicago is #3, a big time improvement.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
                          Wily, after looking into a lot of other factors, I think UIC could work for the Valley. They are a quality school, have excellent academics, and do have some good quality sports programs. In fact, their men's basketball has made it to the NCAA tournament 3 times in the last 15 years- which is more than most of the Missouri Valley teams. Just the presence they would give the MVC in a major city might be worth it. The top media market currently in the Valley is Omaha- which isn't even in the Top 50 nationally (it is around 70th). Chicago is #3, a big time improvement.
                          I agree it does have some advantages,mainly the market and a road trip we can all make, but don't think they would have been in the big dance those 3 years had they been in our league.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by BUBalum05 View Post
                            Except then it only means 1 automatic bid for 16-20 schools. I'm amazed the big shots of the BCS haven't thought of this ....
                            they have but have received solid guarantees of plenty of consideration for at-large bids - thus it is no coincidence that 16-team leagues like the Big East get 8 bids...even those almost all their at-large teams looked hapless and lost to mid-majors

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                            • #44
                              Da Coach, I think you make a good point. I like having Chicago as a Media market. Big improvement. You have St.louis and now maybe Chicago. Maybe we have to look at it as... does UIC bring down the Valley or can the Valley bring UIC up to where both benefit? Maybe UIC is just needing a good conference to propel itself to bigger and better things

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by tornado View Post
                                they have but have received solid guarantees of plenty of consideration for at-large bids - thus it is no coincidence that 16-team leagues like the Big East get 8 bids...even those almost all their at-large teams looked hapless and lost to mid-majors
                                I think the post you were responded to was implying he's surprised the NCAA isn't pushing for more conference consolidation at low major levels so that they have even more at-large bids to give out.

                                I have a hard time questioning any of the Big East of Big Ten bids this year.

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