ISU snubbed by NIT - declines CBI & CIT

[tornado]

http://www.wjbc.com/common/page.php?pt=Illinois+State+denied+NIT+bid%2C+will+sit+out+postseason&id=39523&is_corp=0

https://twitter.com/Pg_Benson/status/313461597089710080

they will take their ball and go home...


so..if the NCAA & the NIT combine to include the BEST 68 + 32 = 100 teams, and if only three MVC teams get in...with Indiana State limping in as a LOW seed in the NIT
and both WSU & CU getting low seeds in the NCAA - then is anyone willing to concede that this was a weak year for the MVC?

[sportsnut2]

This is an incredibly ridiculous and flawed attempt to minimize how good the Valley was this year. The NCAA is not the best 68 teams. Teams sneak in by getting hot and winning 3-4 games at the end of the season in the conference tourney. One team in the NCAA even has 20 losses. As for the NIT, some conferences are guaranteed spots based on regular season finishes, which takes away spots from deserving teams.

I think it's great the Valley has 6 of 10 teams playing postseason basketball and could have been 7 if ISU accepted their bid.

Your argument really does not make any sense at all.

[Tulsa Brave]

http://www.wjbc.com/common/page.php?...9523&is_corp=0

https://twitter.com/Pg_Benson/status/313461597089710080

they will take their ball and go home...


so..if the NCAA & the NIT combine to include the BEST 68 + 32 = 100 teams, and if only three MVC teams get in...with Indiana State limping in as a LOW seed in the NIT
and both WSU & CU getting low seeds in the NCAA - then is anyone willing to concede that this was a weak year for the MVC?

Nope...my statistical background tells me otherwise...

North Carolina A&T and Liberty are among the 68 BEST teams. You may be the only one in the country to actually believe that...

Creighton and WSU were probably both 1 seed BETTER than they deserved...

[tornado]

Here are some objective facts.....something the fans of the big conferences don't want you to know....
...if we all agree that some very weak teams do get into the field because of winning their conference tourneys - like Liberty - then let's look only at the performance of the teams that won a game and advance to the round of 32....

From that point on over the past three tournaments - we see...
(and I was arbitrary with choosing who is mid-major - as well as I know there's an argument that 2010 & 2011 were flukes with mid-majors doing better than usual - so I threw in 2012)

2010
Major conferences: 44-31
Mid-majors: 18-13

2011
Overall record of major conference teams: 46-38
Overall record of mid-major conference teams: 20-12

2012
Major: 52-31
Mid-major: 11-12

Combined three years:
Major - 142-100
Mid-major - 49-37
thus over a three year span ...it's almost the same winning pct - remarkable actually - who'd a thunk it!!
-- so the idea that the major schools deserve to be there more than the best midmajors is bogus

[bradleyfan124]

I agree Tornado. I dont like the terms: BCS and Mid-major. To me they are all equal. The term BCS has been made up by the "bigger" schools to distance themselves from the "other"schools. That is why I love to see them get their a***s kicked. ala Kansas vs Bradley, 2006

[wily coyote]

http://www.wjbc.com/common/page.php?...9523&is_corp=0

https://twitter.com/Pg_Benson/status/313461597089710080

they will take their ball and go home...


so..if the NCAA & the NIT combine to include the BEST 68 + 32 = 100 teams, and if only three MVC teams get in...with Indiana State limping in as a LOW seed in the NIT
and both WSU & CU getting low seeds in the NCAA - then is anyone willing to concede that this was a weak year for the MVC?

Your post is a big bunch of hooey. We have 6 dancing and would have been 7 if ISU takes their bid. To me that's pretty good. Maybe not an outstanding team but from top to bottom I thought the league was pretty good. Didn't SIU go into WSU and beat them? Not bad. If Dougie leaves and the league doesn't have a good recruiting yr your assessment may be valid for next year.

[cpacmel]

If Dougie leaves and the league doesn't have a good recruiting yr your assessment may be valid for next year.

Doesn't really matter what Dougie does. Come 2013-14, all signs point to them being out of the MVC.

[tornado]

LOL - when a conference gets teams "dancing" just because they are .500 against 340 RPI schedules then you have to wonder how valid is that measure..
Any way you cut it - we had fewer teams in the only real tournaments that matter than we ever have...
...and in a year that a LOT of BCS schools (like Kentucky, etc) struggled - leaving gobs of bids available for the asking if you were just above .500 - openings that conferences like A-10 and MWC jumped and took - while we did not.

BTW - you are aware that BOTH Valley teams that did get bids - were sweating right down to the wire because of their losses and RPI's and we weren't far from being a one bid league.
Only a couple mid-majors ranked by the Selection Committee below Wichita got at-large bids and didn't have to "play in" to the tourney.

[OrangeandBlack74]

LOL - when a conference gets teams "dancing" just because they are .500 against 340 RPI schedules then you have to wonder how valid is that measure..
Any way you cut it - we had fewer teams in the only real tournaments that matter than we ever have...
...and in a year that a LOT of BCS schools (like Kentucky, etc) struggled - leaving gobs of bids available for the asking if you were just above .500 - openings that conferences like A-10 and MWC jumped and took - while we did not.

BTW - you are aware that BOTH Valley teams that did get bids - were sweating right down to the wire because of their losses and RPI's and we weren't far from being a one bid league.
Only a couple mid-majors ranked by the Selection Committee below Wichita got at-large bids and didn't have to "play in" to the tourney.

Nice try...don't let the facts get in the way of whatever point you are trying to make.

2013- 3 2 NCAA 1 NIT

2011-3 1 NCAA 2 NIT
2010- 3 1 NCAA 2 NIT
2009- 3 1 NCAA 2 NIT

By the way...I can't take credit for the fact check. It came from a more knowledgeable source on a different forum.

[sportsnut2]

LOL - when a conference gets teams "dancing" just because they are .500 against 340 RPI schedules then you have to wonder how valid is that measure..
Any way you cut it - we had fewer teams in the only real tournaments that matter than we ever have...
...and in a year that a LOT of BCS schools (like Kentucky, etc) struggled - leaving gobs of bids available for the asking if you were just above .500 - openings that conferences like A-10 and MWC jumped and took - while we did not.

BTW - you are aware that BOTH Valley teams that did get bids - were sweating right down to the wire because of their losses and RPI's and we weren't far from being a one bid league.
Only a couple mid-majors ranked by the Selection Committee below Wichita got at-large bids and didn't have to "play in" to the tourney.

Wow. Neither team was "sweating" to make the tournament. 7 and 9 seeds are not even close to being bubble teams. And FWIW, I would hope the A-10gets more than 2 teams in. It's a SIXTEEN TEAM CONFERENCE.

[tornado]

regardless of their seeds - I documented that VERY few midmajor (non-power) conference teams got at-large bids - that were ranked any lower by the selection committee than Wichita..

Read it - I gave the link - just Boise State, St. Mary's, LaSalle, MTSU (and that one caused a lot of uproar) and all the rest who had lower seeds got there automatically - NOT BY at-large bid.
So like it or not - Wichita was seen by most as one of the LAST mid-major teams in..

[wily coyote]

LOL - when a conference gets teams "dancing" just because they are .500 against 340 RPI schedules then you have to wonder how valid is that measure..
Any way you cut it - we had fewer teams in the only real tournaments that matter than we ever have...
...and in a year that a LOT of BCS schools (like Kentucky, etc) struggled - leaving gobs of bids available for the asking if you were just above .500 - openings that conferences like A-10 and MWC jumped and took - while we did not.

BTW - you are aware that BOTH Valley teams that did get bids - were sweating right down to the wire because of their losses and RPI's and we weren't far from being a one bid league.
Only a couple mid-majors ranked by the Selection Committee below Wichita got at-large bids and didn't have to "play in" to the tourney.

Your 1st paragraph--- I don't have to wonder how valid it is. It's going to happen,make sure and go to the RC Wed.night and see one of them play. I believe O & B posted some results that dispute your post regarding MV schools playing in "the real Tourneys" as you put it.

Your 2nd paragraph---Isn't it great to see two Valley schools playing in the big dance and Kentucky not invited?

Your 3rd paragraph--- Sweating, where did you hear they were sweating. A 7 & 9 seed doesn't sound like sweating to me. I'd say those seeds are much higher than our Valley teams usually get. So I'm not buying sweating. Sorry but I don't see many people jumping on your sweating bandwagon. Go CU,WSU,ISU blue,EU,UNI and BU and don't forget to wear your underarmor.

[TheAsianSensation]

The selection committee had 11 at-large teams in between Wichita St and the bubble. 11. And I don't get why it's important to have a distinction between "mid major at large bids" and just "at large bids" in general.

Way too many people thought Wichita was too close to the cutline. Lunardi included.

[tornado]

Lunardi even had WSU as last four in within the past 2 weeks..and as recently as Friday had them even with St. Mary's on the bubble
plenty of their fans were not at all sure they were in - how knowing they are now a 9-seed matters at all to how they were sweating last week - is beyond me - they could not have known that.

[Chico]

Your 1st paragraph--- I don't have to wonder how valid it is. It's going to happen,make sure and go to the RC Wed.night and see one of them play. I believe O & B posted some results that dispute your post regarding MV schools playing in "the real Tourneys" as you put it.

Your 2nd paragraph---Isn't it great to see two Valley schools playing in the big dance and Kentucky not invited?

Your 3rd paragraph--- Sweating, where did you hear they were sweating. A 7 & 9 seed doesn't sound like sweating to me. I'd say those seeds are much higher than our Valley teams usually get. So I'm not buying sweating. Sorry but I don't see many people jumping on your sweating bandwagon. Go CU,WSU,ISU blue,EU,UNI and BU and don't forget to wear your underarmor.

I think he probably meant in their mind they were sweating. Unless you think they know in advance.