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  • #16
    I do stand by my feeling that anyone that post only negative stuff. I have no use for. I was wrong on this person. But I personnally don't care to have someone only rip the program with no positive input.

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    • #17
      Agree. Now off to Mountain Brook next to the Superstitions for 18 holes.
      What part of illegal don't you understand?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by BradleyJD View Post
        I would suggest that! The only fallout we have seen is from losing games, not the change. We are finally heading in a positive direction. Let's keep going.
        You joking right No fallout must be nice to wear rose colored glasses I agree lets keep going
        Last edited by kds; 02-27-2013, 12:25 PM. Reason: Adding

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
          Well I am fully in favor of continuing in the positive direction, but I have to disagree. In my work, I encounter a lot of fans and have the chance to talk to dozens of current and former season ticket holders over the past months. In case you didn't notice, we have somewhere between 2000-3000 fewer season tickets sold this year than just 3 or 4 years ago. Nearly all of those I have talked to who have dropped their tickets say it has to do with the circumstances surrounding the events of 2011. And the people at Bradley know this, and are working hard to try to bring some of those fans back.
          People will believe whatever they want, but 2000+ fewer season tickets and maintenance fees and a comparable dropoff in other donations is major fallout no matter how you look at it, and it is not just due to losing. Bradley has lost before, and never in their history has their been any dropoff in ticket sales and donations like this.
          Well we will agree to disagree then.

          In my work, and the work of many of my associates, and during my time on this and other message boards I hear from dozens and dozens of fans.

          I only know a handful that have anything negative to say about Bradley basketball, this team, this administration, and this coach. Almost all of that negativity or negative talk is found here. We are constantly told that fallout is all around us and the future is bleak. It's tiring.

          The people I talk with regularly all love the change in direction that Bradley has taken. Many of them were ready to see a new direction at Bradley and are happy with the small sample we have seen so far. Again, most realize you do not build a program in a month, a season, a year or even two or three.

          Most are thrilled with this season. After last year's dismal record, I think many were hoping to see 10 or 12 wins and some improvement. This season has gone well above those hopes.

          However, most also realize that next year is not guaranteed to be better. Every year takes hard work, good players, good coaching, and a few breaks. But those I talk to are seeing positive signs and believe the attendance will rebound with the success of the team.

          I know many people who canceled season tickets because BU was losing too much, both in Jim's last few seasons and then last year. I know several people who didn't buy season tickets this year, but have then gone and purchased single game tickets after they saw this team play.

          Winning will cure most issues. It usually does.

          This has always been a favorite quote of mine: "We can always choose to perceive things differently. You can focus on what's wrong in your life, or you can focus on what's right."


          What is past is past. We have to accept it and move forward. This is a great University, with quality administrators, professors, athletic programs, coaches, and athletes. Celebrate what's happening now.

          It isn't guaranteed to turn out the way we all want. Geno might fail. If he does, he and we will move on. That's the way it goes. If Geno succeeds wildly, he and we will move on too. He will go to a bigger school, and we will hire his successor and once again HOPE it works out!
          When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

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          • #20
            It isn't happening. The C7 will add Butler, Xavier and some combination of SLU, Creighton, Richmond, VCU, and Dayton.

            Creighton leaving the MVC would be very bad for the basketball only schools. If this happens, the MVC wheels could fall off. Elgin could decide to add in a football member as a full member. That should be a signal for the basketball only schools to get out ASAP.

            Perhaps this leads BU to another mid major conference of basketball only schools in decent sized markets like Drake, Loyola, Detroit, Valparaiso, Dayton, Evansville, etc.

            There is a chance the shuffle could be very good for BU or it could be very bad. I trust that Drs. Cross and Glasser have enough contacts to ensure a quality conference home for many years to come.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by BradleyJD View Post
              The only fallout we have seen is from losing games...
              sure....

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              • #22
                Originally posted by BradleyJD View Post
                Well we will agree to disagree then.

                In my work, and the work of many of my associates, and during my time on this and other message boards I hear from dozens and dozens of fans.

                I only know a handful that have anything negative to say about Bradley basketball, this team, this administration, and this coach. Almost all of that negativity or negative talk is found here. We are constantly told that fallout is all around us and the future is bleak. It's tiring.

                The people I talk with regularly all love the change in direction that Bradley has taken. Many of them were ready to see a new direction at Bradley and are happy with the small sample we have seen so far. Again, most realize you do not build a program in a month, a season, a year or even two or three.

                Most are thrilled with this season. After last year's dismal record, I think many were hoping to see 10 or 12 wins and some improvement. This season has gone well above those hopes.

                However, most also realize that next year is not guaranteed to be better. Every year takes hard work, good players, good coaching, and a few breaks. But those I talk to are seeing positive signs and believe the attendance will rebound with the success of the team.

                I know many people who canceled season tickets because BU was losing too much, both in Jim's last few seasons and then last year. I know several people who didn't buy season tickets this year, but have then gone and purchased single game tickets after they saw this team play.

                Winning will cure most issues. It usually does.

                This has always been a favorite quote of mine: "We can always choose to perceive things differently. You can focus on what's wrong in your life, or you can focus on what's right."


                What is past is past. We have to accept it and move forward. This is a great University, with quality administrators, professors, athletic programs, coaches, and athletes. Celebrate what's happening now.

                It isn't guaranteed to turn out the way we all want. Geno might fail. If he does, he and we will move on. That's the way it goes. If Geno succeeds wildly, he and we will move on too. He will go to a bigger school, and we will hire his successor and once again HOPE it works out!
                Well said JD.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Chico View Post
                  Agree. Now off to Mountain Brook next to the Superstitions for 18 holes.
                  Chico - Nice meeting you on the plane and seeing you again at the BU game. Wish I was back down there.... have a great round of golf!!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
                    Wily you are a wise person, but why the constant derision of others' opinions? Why can't people have differing opinions without someone attacking them, mocking them, or denigrating them?

                    Are you suggesting we have not suffered any fallout from the last big change affecting the basketball program?

                    If Bradley joined the Catholic League, which Bradley has lobbied to do (and which will never happen), IMO it would be a disaster for Bradley. We would likely never see another winning season in my lifetime.

                    Even the A-10 would not be a good move, IMO. It seems fair for fans to have concerns about such moves.
                    DC you have taken my post completely out of text. I'm not trying to make fun of Future walk ons posts. I can't speak for him but I think we were both on the same page. I don't think either of us think the fallout is to the extent some on here do.I do think there has been a little fallout but that usually occurs when changes are made. I have also said on here that winning will take care of the season tickets. Message boards are for people to express their differing opinions and thats what we have here regarding the extent of "Fallout". Nothing more nothing less.

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                    • #25
                      +1 to JD!
                      ... At the end, of the storm, there's a golden sky. And the sweet silver song of the lark. Walk on, through the wind, walk on, through the rain, though your dreams be tossed, and blown. Walk on, Walk on with hope in your hearts, and you'll never walk alone!
                      I'm behind you 100% Bradley Braves, You'll Never Walk Alone! BEAT STATE!

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                      • #26
                        You take the "fallout" in stride if you don't see the light at the end of the tunnel on the current course. 9 years and never better than 4th was unacceptable to a lot of people, and that I don't think is unreasonable. Les had some bad luck with injuries but on the other hand always having seasons derailed by that exposes a lack of quality depth that falls squarely on his shoulders after the first few years.

                        Bradley should absolutely take a C-7 invitation if offered (and I very much doubt it will be). Millions of dollars > No millions of dollars. We would sell out the PCC regularly for Georgetown, Villanova etc and attract better recruits.

                        The A-10 or whatever may be worth looking into as well if the MVC reacts to losing Creighton and/or WSU by adding Dakota schools or anyone else as unserious about basketball. Though BU should demand a travel partner or two to come with like Loyola, Drake or Valpo.
                        BRADLEY BASKETBALL
                        -2 NCAA Title Games
                        -3 NCAA Elite Eights
                        -4 NCAA Sweet 16s
                        -4 NIT Championships

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Mikovio View Post
                          You take the "fallout" in stride....
                          I doubt anyone wants championships, 20 win seasons, and post-season success any more than I do so bring it on.......

                          and I know they will deny it but MANY of the very people who said exactly this in 2002 when Molinari was canned - are now saying they regretted the loss of all the great players and what they feel has been mediocrity ever since.

                          So I put very little stock in the rationale of someone who shoots themselves in the foot (fallout) but thinks things will surely get better down the road.
                          ..or someone who takes an unnecessary, arduous detour then says they still feel they're on the right course because they feel they are getting closer tot he destination...

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by BradleyJD View Post
                            Well we will agree to disagree then.

                            In my work, and the work of many of my associates, and during my time on this and other message boards I hear from dozens and dozens of fans.

                            I only know a handful that have anything negative to say about Bradley basketball, this team, this administration, and this coach. Almost all of that negativity or negative talk is found here. We are constantly told that fallout is all around us and the future is bleak. It's tiring.

                            The people I talk with regularly all love the change in direction that Bradley has taken. Many of them were ready to see a new direction at Bradley and are happy with the small sample we have seen so far. Again, most realize you do not build a program in a month, a season, a year or even two or three.

                            Most are thrilled with this season. After last year's dismal record, I think many were hoping to see 10 or 12 wins and some improvement. This season has gone well above those hopes.

                            However, most also realize that next year is not guaranteed to be better. Every year takes hard work, good players, good coaching, and a few breaks. But those I talk to are seeing positive signs and believe the attendance will rebound with the success of the team.

                            I know many people who canceled season tickets because BU was losing too much, both in Jim's last few seasons and then last year. I know several people who didn't buy season tickets this year, but have then gone and purchased single game tickets after they saw this team play.

                            Winning will cure most issues. It usually does.

                            This has always been a favorite quote of mine: "We can always choose to perceive things differently. You can focus on what's wrong in your life, or you can focus on what's right."


                            What is past is past. We have to accept it and move forward. This is a great University, with quality administrators, professors, athletic programs, coaches, and athletes. Celebrate what's happening now.

                            It isn't guaranteed to turn out the way we all want. Geno might fail. If he does, he and we will move on. That's the way it goes. If Geno succeeds wildly, he and we will move on too. He will go to a bigger school, and we will hire his successor and once again HOPE it works out!
                            Well said! I will add that I have received numerous text messages this year from friends who say that they can't get over the great coaching job that Geno and the staff have been doing given the lack of talent and depth on our team. Some of these text messages are from friends who have graduated from other MVC schools!

                            Onward and upward!
                            Bradley 72 - Illini 68 Final

                            ???It??™s awful hard,??™??™ said Illini freshman guard D.J. Richardson, the former Central High School guard who played prep school ball a few miles from here and fought back tears outside the locker room. ???It??™s a hometown thing. It??™s bragging rights.??™

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Rick LeHew View Post
                              Chico - Nice meeting you on the plane and seeing you again at the BU game. Wish I was back down there.... have a great round of golf!!
                              Weather is a lot better now than when you were here. Didn't help my golf game though.
                              What part of illegal don't you understand?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by tornado View Post
                                I doubt anyone wants championships, 20 win seasons, and post-season success any more than I do so bring it on.......
                                I bet I do and can you disprove me? I bet there are a few other people who may have more riding on the team's success then any of us on this board who wants it more.
                                "Educate and inform the whole mass of the people...they are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."
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