New rules for college basketball

[tornado]

This article discusses new rules that are proposed...

-moving the 3-point line back even further - ?NBA level?
-tinker with the 10-sec backcourt rule & don't allow a player trapped there to avoid the 10-sec call by using a time out - or shorten it to 8 seconds

http://www.philahoops.com/scheuer-time-for-some-rules-changes-in-college-hoops/

[peoriaspitfire]

I would love to see both of these rules come to fruition. I??™m sure VCU would be salivating at the prospect of the backcourt change.

[tornado]

how often do we see a backcourt violation or how often does a team unfairly "use" the backcourt rule to stall when it's just 10 seconds?

I think looking this hard for some rule to change because of a situation that maybe comes up once a year is part of why people hate the NCAA

[peoriaspitfire]

how often do we see a backcourt violation or how often does a team unfairly "use" the backcourt rule to stall when it's just 10 seconds?

I know for sure that the 10 second rule change would have impacted Bradley numerous times this year. I can recall several times where we could not get the ball up court and had to call a timeout and it would have been even worse if we only had 8 seconds. I personally like this rule change a lot, but then again I really love pressing full court basketball teams such as the old Tulsa teams, Arkansas and now VCU. Even the light trapping that Wichita State and others like to use against us would become quite burdensome over the course of game with an 8 second limit. Of course with the right players and coaching that trapping can get you burnt??¦

[tornado]

minimal impact - because we didn't get called for the violation and still wouldn't have even if the new rule is implemented.

[peoriaspitfire]

minimal impact - because we didn't get called for the violation and still wouldn't have even if the new rule is implemented.

I respectfully disagree. If the time was only 8 seconds it would have caused violations. If it was kept at 10 seconds, but timeouts didn??™t restart the count, then I could see a few helter-skelter attempts to inbound. Either way, I think it could potentially add a little more excitement to the game.

Do you have any rule changes you would like to see implemented?

[tsguthrie]

[QUOTE=peoriaspitfire;275803][SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]I respectfully disagree.

We would push more if we knew we had 8 instead of 10 seconds but i still think it may have hurt us a little.

[tornado]

why yes - only a few because I like the game as it is and not much ever troubles me....
but I know most of these will never happen...

-fewer and less frequent media timeouts
-use replay only for final minute of games otherwise - make the call on the floor and let it play out
-on all "charging foul" situations in the lane - make virtually all of them either no-harm/NO-CALL, or a foul on the defender...unless the effort to CHARGE into the defender is either flagrant or clearly intentional.
So I'd shift the bigger burden onto the defender but make most of them no-calls.
If an offensive player is obviously trying to take advantage then hit him with the charging
-and I would never let a shot count as good if the guy charged going into the lane
-lastly - one other thought - and maybe I'd like to see it tested before saying for sure to implement it...
In many sports like ice hockey, soccer the puck/ball must be in the goal before the horn or it does not count.

BUT how many times have we seen horribly bad calls at the end of a game where the difficulty is trying to conclude if the ball left the shooter's hand in time.
I propose a simple device that snaps a net over the hoop the instant the buzzer sounds and the clock hits 0.00. Thus if the ball isn't in the goal by the expiration of the clock it doesn't count...
I know some people like the Chris Roberts-type finish where the momentary drama is exciting - but this way there won't be any more of those blown calls that cost a team a win because some ref viewed the video and got it wrong.
Even in grade school gyms that might not be able to afford the equipment - then it's no different than before it's still just a judgement call by the ref but I still think it would be easier since he'd be looking right at the basket to make it instead of looking at the basket, the clock, and shooter's hands simultaneously.

[BUBalum05]

Can't hurt to try these changes. The NCAA has experimented with a few things only to change the rule back a few years later. I found this website a while back when I was trying to figure out when a fouled 3pt shot was worth 3 FT. http://www.orangehoops.org/NCAA/NCAA...%20Changes.htm

I can't imagine watching a game back in the days with a jump ball at center court after every made basket.

[tornado]

it is one of the reasons the scores back then were often 17-16 and 23-20..
when that rule was eliminated - we suddenly began seeing scores of 40, 50, 60, and even 70's
My dad played high school basketball in that era in Chicago and was his team's center, and he related that the jump ball rule required each team's center to jump at least 40-50 times in the game..
The jump balls were not like they are today - but were instead more like rugby scrums, where teams didn't bother to use a tall guy since all tall kids
were generally thin & frail and would have gotten killed. Every team utilized a center who was their "middle-linebacker"-type guy who could fight & battle for the ball during the tip.
it is why players often looked like this in photos from that era....
Muscular, broad shouldered, and sometimes wearing padding...
My dad also related that he was injured quite a bit because of the rules that allowed such contact during those scrums/tip offs....
and ....that nationally the game fell way, way off in popularity around 1930 - after enjoying nearly 40 years of tremendous popularity at the high school, YMCA, and amateur level.
The play grew so violent that steps were taken to protect fans - such as enclosing the court in a cage - a la Ultimate Fighting contests..thus the basketball term "cager"..






Only when rules were changed, more fouls called to regulate the hard contact, and the violent tipoffs largely eliminated -
and then development of skills became paramount (as with Bradley's highly skilled "Famous Five")
..then in the late 30's after basketball all but died out - it became immensely popular again..

http://www.laemmlezellerfilms.com/uploads/SPHAs1922Team.jpg

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/704/tombasketball.jpg/sr=1

https://www.nmnathletics.com//pdf5/21012.pdf?ATCLID=201568&SPSID=19336&SPID=1498&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=3400

Also - on that list of rules...notice the one from 40 years ago...1972-73...
"An official can charge a technical foul on a player for unsportsmanlike conduct
if the official deems the player 'flopped' to get a charging call."
...in 40 years - has anyone ever seen this called in a college game???? I have not.

[peoriaspitfire]

-fewer and less frequent media timeouts
-use replay only for final minute of games otherwise - make the call on the floor and let it play out

I do like these two ideas. I think there are far too many timeouts and unproductive looks at replay monitors.

Walt sure would benefit from your proposed lane charge idea.

[Da Coach]

-use replay only for final minute of games otherwise - make the call on the floor and let it play out

I like this one especially (except video should still be used for determining whether a shot was 2 or 3 points). If there is an incident that officials miss that deserves punishment- make the team submit the video to their conference director of officiating, or to the NCAA for later review, and let them mete out the punishment. The biggest thing that annoys me are those 5+ minute stoppages while officials review video of something that happened well before the stoppage, then discuss among themselves, then discuss with each coach, then make a ruling, then never announce to the fans what the heck happened, like at the Drake game.