Bradley's low post players - comparison over past 25 years

[Beninator]

I see a lot of criticism of our post players...but let's see how they stack up vs. our best in the past 25 years...

I went back 25 years - back to the Albeck era and culled the stats of all the low post/centers and ranked them in order....if I missed anyone lmk...
Our guys this year share the low post spot while a lot of guys in the past have planted themselves there all alone and yet - I think our current guys have proven themselves sufficiently - but this locks in even more the proof that our current guys are top notch.

Here are the BEST season totals among low post players - I did not count guys like Cellus, Granger, Parker - they do not fit the definition.

SCORING
15.4 Bayo 98
13.4 POB 06
12.4 Bayo 97
11.6 Funches 96
11.3 Pickett 13
11.1 Zach A 07
10.0 POB 05
8.9 Egolf 13
8.0 Egolf 11
7.9 Pollard 93
7.8 Pross 12
7.2 Funches 95
7.0 Egolf 10
7.0 Rabey 01
7.0 Salley 07
6.8 Pollard 94
6.3 Hall 02
6.1 Salley 08
6.0 Prosser 13
5.3 Prosser 11

So - SEVEN of the TOP 20 scoring seasons in the past 25 years by our low post guys are the guys we have RIGHT NOW..
and FOUR of the TOP dozen!!
guys like David Collins, Zach in '06, Koita - don't even make the list!!!


So - as much as we all would like to see a Bayo or a POB at BU - it simply doesn't happen often and the guys we have NOW do not deserve the criticism they get.

Here's rebounding going back to the Albeck era among our low post guys...
I did not include the guys from the 80's Massive Mike, Reese, Luke Jackson, etc...


Rebounds
8.3 POB 06
8.2 Bayo 98
7.4 POB 05
7.3 Rabey 01
7.0 Zach A 07
6.9 Salley 08
6.5 Prosser 12
6.0 Bayo 97
5.7 Tyshon 13
5.5 Egolf 13
5.5 Prosser 12
5.3 Funches 96
5.3 Pollard 93

[U]again - the guys we have right now make up 1/3 of the top dozen rebounding seasons..........[/U]
the following starters ......Koita, Hall, Stewart, Funches, Pollard, Collins, Zach, Salley -- all had years where they were our MAIN low post guys and did not make this list!!
If you carry the list further - you see Egolf had two other seasons with more rpg than Collins' best year, or Koita's or Hall's or anyone else form the 90's..

I don't agree with your opinion.
First- He didn't attempt more 3-pointers because he wasn't good at them. 0% is still 0%. I don't think any of us would want a coach encouraging a poor 3-point shooter (0-14) to keep taking more 3-pointers. Will has improved his 3-point accuracy tremendously this year, but he himself has attributed that to the year he missed after his last surgery, when he couldn't practice, he spent a lot of extra time shooting threes.

Also, 2 year ago, under the previous coach, Will averaged 8.0 points and 4.1 rebounds. This year, with 2 more years of maturity, his numbers are 8.7 & 5.3. Not that much better. So maybe the previous staff did just as well with WE? Maybe the difference is that Will is playing farther away from the basket and avoiding as many silly fouls as he got in past years. Our inside game is weak. Maybe it would help us as much if our tallest player and one of our best rebounders wouldn't play so much of the time around the 3-point arc? In MVC games, Bradley is one of the worst rebounding teams (9th out of 10 teams in rebounding margin, and 10th in overall rebounding percentage), maybe Will would help this team more playing closer to the basket?

And, players are supposed to get better each year, so if you see improvement in WE, there could be a number of reasons. Using your logic, you must believe that Geno and his staff must not be utilizing Jordan Prosser so well. His scoring and rebounding averages are less this year than either his sophomore season, or his freshman season!

So what is it? Are these guys top notch and comprise 1/3 of the top rebounding seasons going back to the Albeck era or is our inside game weak?

Lets show some more support for Geno and hope that he and the staff land better talent.

[tornado]

you're comparing two different comments by two different people who appear to disagree - so are you expecting that to mean anything?

[Tulsa Brave]

Our best low post players in 25 years put on quite a show tonight...only outrebounded by 20 or so...and giving up almost as many offensive rebounds as we got defensive boards.

[Braves4Life]

Our best low post players in 25 years put on quite a show tonight...only outrebounded by 20 or so...and giving up almost as many offensive rebounds as we got defensive boards.

Truth

[SFP]

Now if we played The Tuna for more minutes we could have had better rebounding numbers!


*The Tuna is a player on our current team. Why The Tuna? Because he's so raw he reminds me of sushi and he's a redhead to boot!

[Beninator]

Our best low post players in 25 years put on quite a show tonight...only outrebounded by 20 or so...and giving up almost as many offensive rebounds as we got defensive boards.

yep. Back to the statistics drawing board!

[tornado]

Then I guess if one game against a good team is the sole determiner...
.. that puts an end to the careers of a few other MVC post players & others

-Justin Gant 0-5, 1 pt, 3 rebs vs. Creighton 2/6/13
-Seth van Deest 3 pts, 3 rebs vs. Creighton 1/23/13
-Dantiel Daniels 0 pts, 1 rebound, 3 turnovers vs. Creighton 2/19/13
-Seth Tuttle 9 pts, 5 rebs vs. Creighton 1/15/13
-Evansville's Egidijus Mockevicius 4 pts, 1 reb, 3 TO vs. Creighton 12/29/12
-Wisconsin's Mike Brusewitz 2 pts, 3 rebs, vs. Creighton 11/23/12

[Braves4Life]

Then I guess if one game against a good team is the sole determiner...
.. that puts an end to the careers of a few other MVC post players & others

-Justin Gant 0-5, 1 pt, 3 rebs vs. Creighton 2/6/13
-Seth van Deest 3 pts, 3 rebs vs. Creighton 1/23/13
-Dantiel Daniels 0 pts, 1 rebound, 3 turnovers vs. Creighton 2/19/13
-Seth Tuttle 9 pts, 5 rebs vs. Creighton 1/15/13
-Evansville's Egidijus Mockevicius 4 pts, 1 reb, 3 TO vs. Creighton 12/29/12
-Wisconsin's Mike Brusewitz 2 pts, 3 rebs, vs. Creighton 11/23/12

Man tornado... I don't have the time to disprove all of your examples but I'll start with a few. You sure do like to attempt to manipulate statistics in an attempt to discredit our coaching staff... Too bad your wrong!

Gant -- He had a bad game, for whatever reason. Arop, Mahurin, and Odum all went off to have games above their average.

Van Deest -- Simons, Clarke, Jeffers, and Ugbede all scored well above their average that game. Van Deest either wasn't in the game plan or the other players picked up his slack

Daniels -- SIU? Really? 8 of 10 players on their roster are listed as guards. Daniels was the only non-guard listed. A good team like CU will pack it in against a team like that... Or, the SIU game plan tried to exploit CU's lack of quickness by utilizing guards.

Tuttle -- Both Koch and James scored well above their averages that game.

I suspect one could manipulate and massage statistic for most any team and any game... pick a player who had an off night... and try to prove any lame point.

Come on Man! Just Stop It!

[tornado]

if so-called BU fans come onto this board and try to slam our own players then I will respond -
if that bothers you then ignore it but I will not and will never "Stop it" just because you say so

[LittleBrave]

if so-called BU fans come onto this board and try to slam our own players then I will respond -
if that bothers you then ignore it but I will not and will never "Stop it" just because you say so

I hardly think "slamming" is the appropriate word against our low post players. I see it as criticizing, which is just a part of sports talk - always has, always will be.

I think if one is not the least bit critical of JP's play, or any other of our post players, then you're living in a fantasy world.

I am a bit disappointed in our post players this season after showing a lot of promise early on, but I admit, even after the poor performances last night, the core we have is better than any we've had since the Patrick O'Bryant years.

[tornado]

the difference is that I post facts or opinions and allow you to have yours..pretty much what a message board exists for..
but some demand that others STOP IT, shut up, or change their beliefs upon demand...classic bullying...
I find that arrogant and insulting

[lefty]

I can understand why some defend our guys and why some of our guys get some criticzm...

There is nothing wrong with having a difference of opinion on the ability of certain players.

It seems to me that we need more out of our bigs particularly on defense. Not too many people worry about driving the lane once they get past our guards. We haven't done well defending the post either as a whole either.

As far as our bigs go offensively....you really don't have that many scoring post guys in the Valley...I know you have Hall and Carmichael but those guys a really 4's playing the post...which I would take by the way....

It would be fine with me to have a post player doesn't necessarily score that much but can finish when necessary, pass the ball, and go to the boards while playing good defense on the other end....

It's pretty crowded in the paint since we don't shoot well from 3 which doesn't make it any easier in the post either.

All that said.....we need two bigs next year which is a tall(no pun intended) order......and one more shooter for sure.....

[tornado]

there's confusion for some to understand what others say in their posts..
I have never claimed we have HOFers or NBA caliber bigs - all I said was that in comparison to the low post players we've had since the 80's - extremely few - perhaps just two had any better season stats than the guys we have now..
nobody has yet refuted that except for silly claims that Jackson and Cellus were our low post guys instead of Bayo & POB

the question I pose and have yet to hear a single legit answer...
if we should be doing better getting post players - then give me the name of someone we have not yet offered that we should be offering??
People act like Geno is unaware that all you gotta do is go to Big-R-Us or Bob's Big & Tall...and pick out a few...

[Future Walk-On]

I am just trying to diagnose the reason we were playing on Thursday again.

[mrcoachdude]

I am just trying to diagnose the reason we were playing on Thursday again.

The reason we are playing Thursday is because we got beat by better teams...