Wessler rips the Braves

[tornado]

we rallied to within 9 later - so I disagree and I stand by my statements despite there being those who might disagree

[lefty]

at the end of the day it's wins and losses....no asterisks for by how much either way....so if we have more wins but some of the losses are by 30 plus points doesn't make any difference....

[LittleBrave]

Hung with Florida? Duke? What games were you watching.

BU was never within shouting distance of Florida. Down 17 at half. 23 at regulation.

Duke was an absolute drubbing. What was that? 35 points? I recall hanging with them, if, by hanging with them, you mean going up 2-0 and never leading again.

Ill give you 1 out of 3 Michigan State games. But I also remember hanging with #3 Michigan just 2 months ago.

The Duke game a couple years ago could be compared to the Wichita St. game we played just a few weeks ago.
We were down by single-digits with minutes left in the 1st half in both games. Then they destroyed us in both games. Neither would I consider we "hung" with them...more like, they were "toying" with us for 15 minutes before yanking on the strings and making us cry "UNCLE!"

At least you should mention that we "hung" with Wichita St. (blowout) and Creighton this year, similar to how we did with Duke and Florida.

And the Michigan St. game is about the same plane as the Michigan game this year. Need I bring up losing to Michigan St. by 30+ in our NIT season?

I think that's why you've got a target on your back - because your views are taken as a Geno-jabber and a Les-lover. If this is not your true feeling, don't just harp on what's happened badly the past 2 seasons under Geno.

[shaunguth]

at the end of the day it's wins and losses....no asterisks for by how much either way....so if we have more wins but some of the losses are by 30 plus points doesn't make any difference....

I've never quite understood that thinking and I actually disagree that it's just wins and losses. If we're beating teams we're "supposed to" beat by a few points and losing to other teams by 30, then there's a problem.

Before this gets copied and pasted onto another board, I'm not saying this is what's happening. I'm saying it's not just wins and losses, but improvement. A string of 30-point losses are NOT the same as a string of 1-point losses. Obviously, each one counts as a single loss, but they are not the same.

[LittleBrave]

And the game was OVER for all practical purposes with 5 minutes to go in the 1st half. The Gators went on a 19-0 run in less than 2 minutes. We lost by 35 at Duke, and I don't remember us ever being in that game, but you said we hung with them too. The Michigan game this season was far more competitive than either the Florida or Duke games.

Actually just to clarify, we did hang with Duke pretty much all of the FH. But I don't see much difference between that game and what we experienced this year in Wichita.

[lefty]

I've never quite understood that thinking and I actually disagree that it's just wins and losses. If we're beating teams we're "supposed to" beat by a few points and losing by other teams by 30, then there's a problem.

Before this gets copied and pasted onto another board, I'm not saying this is what's happening. I'm saying it's not just wins and losses, but improvement. A string of 30-point losses are NOT the same as a string of 1-point losses. Obviously, each one counts as a single loss, but they are not the same.

But it comes down to wins....would you rather 20-10 with 7 losses over 30 or 15-15 and all your losses by less than 10 points....

I've never seen a coach's career record at 200-100....this includes 20 30 pt losses

Now if you two identical records I agree on what you say...but the only thing that actually counts is the record not the margin

[LittleBrave]

I've never quite understood that thinking and I actually disagree that it's just wins and losses. If we're beating teams we're "supposed to" beat by a few points and losing to other teams by 30, then there's a problem.

Before this gets copied and pasted onto another board, I'm not saying this is what's happening. I'm saying it's not just wins and losses, but improvement. A string of 30-point losses are NOT the same as a string of 1-point losses. Obviously, each one counts as a single loss, but they are not the same.

I agree shaun. It doesn't matter if it's Year 2 or Year 5 - a 30-point loss is kind of demoralizing, but it's not something to get too worked up over. BUT throw in another one, and another one, and that's an indicator that things aren't improving and there are multiple weaknesses on the team. Fortunately we've rebounded well from both blowouts, so we shouldn't generalize this team as the one that continued to get blown out. Not only the rebounding wins, but our closer road losses give us hope that we CAN be competitive and are close to turning the corner.

I'm going into tonight hoping we don't get thrashed by 30+ and keep it within 10 or so, which means we are pretty competitive for most of the game. If we come out victorious, awesome! I know it's hard to take moral victories, but in a rebuilding year, I've got to accept it and focus more on the areas of improvement.

[shaunguth]

But it comes down to wins....would you rather 20-10 with 7 losses over 30 or 15-15 and all your losses by less than 10 points....

So the 20-10 team that wins 14 games by less than 4 points, but loses 7 games by 30+ is better than the 15-15 team that wins 10 games by double-digits and loses close games? I'd say the 2nd scenario shows more improvement.

I guess Jank had it right, if it's just about winning games. Let's schedule cupcakes every year and hopefully we win a lot of games.

[shaunguth]

I'm going into tonight hoping we don't get thrashed by 30+ and keep it within 10 or so, which means we are pretty competitive for most of the game. If we come out victorious, awesome! I know it's hard to take moral victories, but in a rebuilding year, I've got to accept it and focus more on the areas of improvement.

Same here. I'd say a 1-point loss tonight will be better than another 30-point loss. There are people that see them as the same though.

[lefty]

So the 20-10 team that wins 14 games by less than 4 points, but loses 7 games by 30+ is better than the 15-15 team that wins 10 games by double-digits and loses close games? I'd say the 2nd scenario shows more improvement.

I guess Jank had it right, if it's just about winning games. Let's schedule cupcakes every year and hopefully we win a lot of games.

That's not what I mean at all...obviously I wasn't clear......schedules being equal...heck...take the conference schedule....I would rather be 12-6 with 3 of the losses over 30 points than 10-8 and all losses under 10...

The 12-6 is what counts....I didn't mean schedule all cupcakes to have a great record and then lose by 30 points to better teams.

[lefty]

Same here. I'd say a 1-point loss tonight will be better than another 30-point loss. There are people that see them as the same though.

I don't see them same but they count the same

[LittleBrave]

Same here. I'd say a 1-point loss tonight will be better than another 30-point loss. There are people that see them as the same though.

After the game vs. the Birds last year in Carver Arena, I felt very encouraged by our 1-point loss. Our 30+ point loss in Normal last year? I felt hopeless, discouraged, about to give up watching basketball for the rest of the season (which maybe I should have )

There are actually games in which we lose that I feel ok about afterwards, but they certainly aren't associated with 20+ point losses, let alone 30+.
It's always good for us as fans, as well as the team, to have some success to ride on even in the losses, because this game depends so much on your mentality.

I think it goes to show this year's team is a LOT tougher mentally than last year's, as we have put aside the rough losses and played with confidence the next game.

[shaunguth]

I don't see them same but they count the same

I guess that's why I don't understand that statement, and not just from you. Obviously, they count the same. I think everyone realizes they are all losses, no matter what the margin is.

[LittleBrave]

so if we have more wins but some of the losses are by 30 plus points doesn't make any difference....

Maybe if you mean that they COUNT the same, you should clarify that when noting, "doesn't make a difference".
It DOES make a difference - just not in the standings.

[Old Coach]

But it comes down to wins....would you rather 20-10 with 7 losses over 30 or 15-15 and all your losses by less than 10 points....

I've never seen a coach's career record at 200-100....this includes 20 30 pt losses

Now if you two identical records I agree on what you say...but the only thing that actually counts is the record not the margin

I agree with you. Other opinions will differ.