Wessler rips the Braves

[LittleBrave]

Yes.....but don't forget we would also be just 2 games out of 9th place had we won the game.

Thanks for reminding me shaun, but I didn't forget.
However, I would think the team and us BU fans would be looking ahead (or up) instead of behind to have a shot (albeit a miraculous one) at claiming the Valley title for these last 5 games.

Now as it stands, at least from a fan perspective, I'm hoping to finish ahead of the Drakes in the league instead of chasing the Creightons (if you know what I mean).

[Tulsa Brave]

I think a 5th year Prosser plus a 3rd year Shayok & Wells will go fine with TP...
I doubt there's many talented juco big men waiting for offers right now...and of the remaining 2013 recruits out there, they're all rated way higher than we can expect to sign - and the reason they're still unsigned is because they're waiting for the check in the mail - LOL

But we've seen big-man envy on this board for years - fans constantly wondering why we can't land the quality of big men other schools get....there's been people wondering why we didn't land a Ryan Sawvell, or Jeremy Robinson, or Jordan Threloff, when actually as we look back - we have most all of our big men playing well still in the pros and proving they weren't so bad after all (POB, Zach Andrews, David Collins, Cellus..)

BTW - next year the three best low post big men in the Valley will be gone - Carmichael, Echenique, Hall..
even Doug McDermott - who plays a wing more & more may be gone in the draft...
..and as I argued elsewhere nobody else has stats much better than what we have coming back...
About this time last year there was discussion here about how fans were envious of Evansville's Ryan Sawvell
& that he was way better than what we had ...but obviously those beliefs were a little premature worry...
Sawvell has precisely THREE total points scored in the last NINE games combined, and a grand total
of eleven total points in their THIRTEEN total MVC games...for an MVC average of 0.8 ppg...about what Nate Wells is scoring in far, far less playing time.

So Sawvell is doing about as well as the guy who was going to our savior and lead us to the promised land last year...Mr. Remy Abell...

[LittleBrave]

I think a 5th year Prosser plus a 3rd year Shayok & Wells will go fine with TP.

I think we're in sad shape if we settle for this. I have little doubt that NW will get better, but he's still not starting material - neither is Shayok from what we've seen...and neither is Pross. That is one shaky group of bigs, and I think it would be about on the same level with TB, JP, JE, and AT from last season.

We've seen what kind of a team we are without WE, and it's not pretty.
I'm hopeful we can at least bring in someone who can get 20 minutes per game who can at least defend well, get his fair share of boards, and score 5-6 ppg because I don't see any guy other than TP being able to do that right now. And when TP gets into foul trouble, this group of bigs will really put pressure on our guards on both ends of the floor.

[JMM28]

I am at every game cheering long & loud for BU - but we are and will remain undermanned for a while and I see little light at the end of the tunnel...

In the decade before - we only had a handful of 30-point blowout losses or halves of basketball where a team outscored us by 15 or more...those are the demoralizing games...and we didn't have many....we even hung with teams like Duke, Michigan State, & Florida for a while...

You know how many we've had in the past less than two seasons??
Six games where we've been blown out by 30 or more, and a full FIFTEEN different games where we've fallen behind by 15, 20, and even as much as 26 points in a single half of basketball.

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Hung with Florida? Duke? What games were you watching.

BU was never within shouting distance of Florida. Down 17 at half. 23 at regulation.

Duke was an absolute drubbing. What was that? 35 points? I recall hanging with them, if, by hanging with them, you mean going up 2-0 and never leading again.

Ill give you 1 out of 3 Michigan State games. But I also remember hanging with #3 Michigan just 2 months ago.

Get serious!

[Chico]

Your right we did but your missing the point. Age makes little difference. The quality of the product we've had to put on the floor plus the mistakes on the bench are the reasons we are where we are. Not saying Geno may have brought in a mistake or two but I'm still giving him the benefit of doubt until he can get his own recruits in here and Jim's have graduated. I've said this b4 and I'll say it again. "We will get better or changes will be made". Simple as that

Wily, back to the T. Why was it called on Geno and was it the right call? Need your input to put the argument to rest.

[wily coyote]

Wily, back to the T. Why was it called on Geno and was it the right call? Need your input to put the argument to rest.

Chico, was he covered by the rule? Yes he probably was because Geno was way out of the box and questioning the official who made the foul call on Walt. The problem was two fold ,the official he was questioning did not call the T, An official who wasn't close to the conversation made the call. He was so far away he couldn't have heard what was being said and at their level I would have been p--sed if someone would make that call from another part of the floor to T him up when I was discussing the situation with a coach . If Geno would have been out of line the official he was talking to should have T'ed Geno up but didn't. The other problem with what took place was the official time out came when the ball became dead and coaches don't have to stay in there box . If either official would have said it was what Geno said then I would agree it was merited but to say he was out of the box ,when it was an official time out is pretty weak. Hope that helps.

[Chico]

Chico, was he covered by the rule? Yes he probably was because Geno was way out of the box and questioning the official who made the foul call on Walt. The problem was two fold ,the official he was questioning did not call the T, An official who wasn't close to the conversation made the call. He was so far away he couldn't have heard what was being said and at their level I would have been p--sed if someone would make that call from another part of the floor to T him up when I was discussing the situation with a coach . If Geno would have been out of line the official he was talking to should have T'ed Geno up but didn't. The other problem with what took place was the official time out came when the ball became dead and coaches don't have to stay in there box . If either official would have said it was what Geno said then I would agree it was merited but to say he was out of the box ,when it was an official time out is pretty weak. Hope that helps.

Thanks Wily.

[tornado]

...What games were you watching.

BU was never within shouting distance of Florida. ....

well, the game I watched - we lead for most of the entire 1st half - Florida didn't take their first lead at 19-18 until 6 min to go in the 1st half..
Then they put a run on us and went up 17 but BU battled back to within single digits...

The game wasn't out of reach until the final 10 minutes...I was proud of our guys -

Against Michigan State - we were in position to win the game right 'til near the end...we lost by five...

[cpacmel]

Florida didn't take their first lead at 19-18 until 6 min to go in the 1st half..

Sorry, but that isn't true. Florida lead several times in the first 10 minutes of the game, including their first lead at 5-4 with 16:24 left.

http://www.gatorzone.com/basketball/men/boxscore.php?gameid=7772

[tornado]

SMH -- so that somehow proves we weren't hanging tough with Florida cuz they led 5-4???
I meant to say didn't take their lead for good 'til well into the first half - so regardless of how picky you wanna be with minutia -
the point stands that BU was NOT being blown out in that game 'til well after that point

and my overall point remains totally unchallenged that we have suffered far more 30 pt blowouts and halves of games where we got blown out by 15-to more than 25 pts...
in just the past season and a half than we did in the prior decade and more...if that ain't fallout then obviously the deniers must enjoy getting pummelled.

[Old Coach]

SMH -- so that somehow proves we weren't hanging tough with Florida cuz they led 5-4???
I meant to say didn't take their lead for good 'til well into the first half - so regardless of how picky you wanna be with minutia -
the point stands that BU was NOT being blown out in that game 'til well after that point

and my overall point remains totally unchallenged that we have suffered far more 30 pt blowouts and halves of games where we got blown out by 15-to more than 25 pts...
in just the past season and a half than we did in the prior decade and more...if that ain't fallout then obviously the deniers must enjoy getting pummelled.

What's to challenge? It's indeed a fact that the team has suffered more 30 point loses in the last two seasons. That is indisputable. However, what you make of it, and/or what it really means is up for debate.

[tornado]

OK, I am glad you agree -- maybe it doesn't mean much to some, but some say there are no more blowouts now than ever -- that's not true.

[cpacmel]

SMH -- so that somehow proves we weren't hanging tough with Florida cuz they led 5-4???
I meant to say didn't take their lead for good 'til well into the first half - so regardless of how picky you wanna be with minutia -
the point stands that BU was NOT being blown out in that game 'til well after that point

Just don't embellish things to try and prove your points. In this case, you didn't need to do this, as the facts do show that for a good amount of the game, florida and bradley were somewhat close.
I still don't know where you got this part:

Florida didn't take their first lead at 19-18 until 6 min to go in the 1st half..

For someone who links everything, I am surprised you didn't go back and look at the boxscore, which clearly shows Florida took the lead for good with 10 minutes to go in the first half.

And it's not really being picky with minutia when Florida had the lead with 16:34 to go, and you claimed it to be 6 minutes to go. 10 minutes of game time you embellished to try and prove your point.....SMH to that.

[tornado]

what are you talking about? I got it from the play by play -- why do you doubt this..you have a weird obsession of trying to find even the tiniest little thing in any of my tens of thousands of posts to dispute but you are wrong here..

here's the play by play

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/playbyplay?gameId=283210057

WITH JUST ABOUT 6 MINUTES TO GO IN THE 1ST HALF A DODIE DUNSON 3-BALL WAS IN THE AIR AND IT WENT IN AND WOULD HAVE PUT BRADLEY AHEAD 21-19...BUT..

on the play Taylor Brown was called for a foul - the basket was wiped out and the Florida player put the Gators up 20-18 -- they never again relinquished the lead but..
up 'til that point Bradley had led most all of the game and was up 18-16 when Walter Hodge nailed a 3-pointer with a little over 6 min to go.
If we hung with one of the NATION'S top teams for most of the half then I feel I am justified in saying so - and you are entitled to join JMM and think otherwise

If this account by ESPN is wrong then so is my memory but I doubt it I think it is your memory that is faulty, sorry

BTW - I wish I could return the favor but I don't obsessively read all your posts and even if I find an error in them - I don't make it a point to police your opinions

[Tulsa Brave]

And the game was OVER for all practical purposes with 5 minutes to go in the 1st half. The Gators went on a 19-0 run in less than 2 minutes. We lost by 35 at Duke, and I don't remember us ever being in that game, but you said we hung with them too. The Michigan game this season was far more competitive than either the Florida or Duke games.