Bradley is 5th Most Improved Team in the Country

[Bravesfan]

I don't think it was implied that anyone should change his opinion, but that consideration of the opinions of others could be given more civil treatment (by both sides of the issue).

Right. Agreed 100%.

[DeltaBrave03]

Calling someone anti-JL is such a misleading and juvenile term developed by posters to force others into one side or the other. This board has succeeded in making it impossible to simply say

"I appreciate what Jim did for BU. I felt the program was trending in the wrong direction, and a change was needed. I wish Jim all the best at UCD. I support Geno and hope he has success beyond what Bradley has ever experienced" without being labeled as anti-JL.

This doesn't mean I want Geno to succeed to prove firing Jim was the right decision, nor does it mean if Jim does a fine job at UCD we made the wrong decision.

[tornado]

I have only rarely used the term - but tell me what term would you prefer to use for those who were against his hiring right fron the beginning, urged JL's departure all along, cheered his exit, and who still often turn discussions into JL-bashing - still blaming current problems on someone who's been gone nearly two years?

[DeltaBrave03]

I have only rarely used the term - but tell me what term would you prefer to use for those who were against his hiring right fron the beginning, urged JL's departure all along, cheered his exit, and who still often turn discussions into JL-bashing - still blaming current problems on someone who's been gone nearly two years?

People who were against hiring an inexperienced coach (their opinion)

I don't think anyone was urging Jim's departure in 2006, but if so I'd love to see those posts

Those who "cheered" his exit, as I explained were excited to see the program try to turn around as there was an obvious downward trend (NCAA, NIT, CBI, CIT, nothing, last place)

And finally most of what is termed JL bashing is simply stating facts to dispute and disagree with others who just can't let Jim go

[ph]

I have only rarely used the term - but tell me what term would you prefer to use for those who were against his hiring right fron the beginning, urged JL's departure all along, cheered his exit, and who still often turn discussions into JL-bashing - still blaming current problems on someone who's been gone nearly two years?

TAS defined it perfectly in the previous posts.

[BuB]

I have only rarely used the term - but tell me what term would you prefer to use for those who were against his hiring right fron the beginning, urged JL's departure all along, cheered his exit, and who still often turn discussions into JL-bashing - still blaming current problems on someone who's been gone nearly two years?

This is a reason for the constant back and forth arguing/bickering. Why do you feel you need a label or term for those who disagree with your opinion. You state your opinions and others state theirs. Nobody needs to "termed" or labeled anything because of how they feel.

[BuB]

Hey - I'm gonna be upfront - if you don't like what's going on here, get on another ship or build one of your own.

I suspect that I missed a quote from TAS that caused your reaction. I have mostly found his comments to be well thought out and fair (but not always popular). Even if he posted something that was wrong (deleted?) that does not make it right for you to tell him leave this site. Tornado's quote would seem to apply here.

[QUOTE=tornado;272161]I will leave it at that as I know you are reasonable and do not blame you in any way for the attacks of others -

If people let simple opinions get that much under their skin - they need to read something else.[/QUOTE]

[Bravesfan]

Calling someone anti-JL is such a misleading and juvenile term developed by posters to force others into one side or the other. This board has succeeded in making it impossible to simply say

"I appreciate what Jim did for BU. I felt the program was trending in the wrong direction, and a change was needed. I wish Jim all the best at UCD. I support Geno and hope he has success beyond what Bradley has ever experienced" without being labeled as anti-JL.

This doesn't mean I want Geno to succeed to prove firing Jim was the right decision, nor does it mean if Jim does a fine job at UCD we made the wrong decision.

I agree. Juvenile bickering back and forth does nothing to advance one's opinions, and only leads to more arguing and name calling. But at times when myself and other pro-Les (for lack of a better term) posted the other side of the argument, a few people (not you) would respond with some snide comments. If everyone responded like you just did DeltaBrave, I agree the conversation would be civil, and both sides would agree to disagree and move on.

[Bravesfan]

This is a reason for the constant back and forth arguing/bickering. Why do you feel you need a label or term for those who disagree with your opinion. You state your opinions and others state theirs. Nobody needs to "termed" or labeled anything because of how they feel.

This had nothing to do with people disagreeing with his opinion BuB. There were people who were against Les's hiring in the first place just because he didn't have coaching experience. I find that an unfair statement because there have been many first time coaches who have excelled at this level. I think that's why there are people who have such strong opinions supporting him. Now we can disagree on how long he should have been coaching here, but I think most of the comments are pretty civil here, even if some cross the line at times.

[saluki762]

I know as a Saluki fan, no one here really cares my opinion but I will add some fuel to this fire. I am sure most Saluki fans would really like to see JL still coaching. Mostly because the Ferrari pictures were so much fun but there are other reasons as well.

[Old Coach]

I agree. Juvenile bickering back and forth does nothing to advance one's opinions, and only leads to more arguing and name calling. But at times when myself and other pro-Les (for lack of a better term) posted the other side of the argument, a few people (not you) would respond with some snide comments. If everyone responded like you just did DeltaBrave, I agree the conversation would be civil, and both sides would agree to disagree and move on.

That "move on" thing seems to occasionally be a challenge.

[tornado]

I suspect that I missed a quote from TAS that caused your reaction. I have mostly found his comments to be well thought out and fair (but not always popular). Even if he posted something that was wrong (deleted?) that does not make it right for you to tell him leave this site. Tornado's quote would seem to apply here.

I will leave it at that as I know you are reasonable and do not blame you in any way for the attacks of others -

[B]If people let simple opinions get that much under their skin - they need to read something else.

I don't see anyone telling anyone else to leave - he's just questioning why do people repeatedly & willingly go back to places where they claim they are treated so badly and feel so incredibly offended?

[BuB]

This had nothing to do with people disagreeing with his opinion BuB. There were people who were against Les's hiring in the first place just because he didn't have coaching experience. I find that an unfair statement because there have been many first time coaches who have excelled at this level. I think that's why there are people who have such strong opinions supporting him. Now we can disagree on how long he should have been coaching here, but I think most of the comments are pretty civil here, even if some cross the line at times.

You may have missed my main point. Tornado was wanting to know what "term" was ok to use to describe others who gave their opinion. I was trying to say that they don't need to be called anything. Not anti or pro, lover or hater, believer or non believer, etc. I have read enough threads over the years to know many posters don't like to be "termed," labeled or called anything. That has lead to lots of arguments or bickering.

[Bravesfan]

You may have missed my main point. Tornado was wanting to know what "term" was ok to use to describe others who gave their opinion. I was trying to say that they don't need to be called anything. Not anti or pro, lover or hater, believer or non believer, etc. I have read enough threads over the years to know many posters don't like to be "termed," labeled or called anything. That has lead to lots of arguments or bickering.

Yeah, I did missunderstand your post. Thanks!

[BuB]

I don't see anyone telling anyone else to leave - he's just questioning why do people repeatedly & willingly go back to places where they claim they are treated so badly and feel so incredibly offended?

Here is the quote I am talking about. It is real clear what LB says TAS can do. This is not a question. TAS interpeted this the same way I did based on his response to the same quote..... It is wrong to tell other posters they can go away. That is why I said LB should take your advise

"If people let simple opinions get that much under their skin - they need to read something else."

Hey - I'm gonna be upfront - if you don't like what's going on here, get on another ship or build one of your own.