Bradley is 5th Most Improved Team in the Country

[Chico]

Can't believe how this thread has evolved into a pro JL, anti JL thread, when all PTownHawkeye stated was that the Braves were 5th in the nation in terms of more wins than last season.

[lefty]

Can't believe how this thread has evolved into a pro JL, anti JL thread, when all PTownHawkeye stated was that the Braves were 5th in the nation in terms of more wins than last season.

Seems that most go that way.....that's been my point on this board for quite awhile

[shaunguth]

Again, another shot at Jim Les. What a surprise.

Right.....and some people just can't let it go.

I guess they're all over on this board.

[shaunguth]

Heck Bradley never finished higher than 4th with 3+ all-MVC calliber players on the freaking team! Multiple times at that!!!

This may only be MY opinion, but I believe the conference was much tougher when we went to the freaking Sweet 16 with one of those teams!

Of course, that was a complete fluke and it was all because of CB. Just curious to see if RC will get all the credit for any turnaround in this program.

[shaunguth]

Seems that most go that way.....that's been my point on this board for quite awhile

Well....in my opinion it beats the seemingly complete anti-JL feel of the other board. Seems it always goes that way.

[Chico]

Well....in my opinion it beats the seemingly complete anti-JL feel of the other board. Seems it always goes that way.

One good reason to stay off that board then.

[TheAsianSensation]

The other board is not anti-JL, for the millionth time. It's anti bradleyfans, and the problem is the only way to show that is to disagree about this board's overall opinion of JL.

Of course, that board DOES have some problems.

[LittleBrave]

Seems that most go that way.....that's been my point on this board for quite awhile

Not only with coaching arguments, but half the threads get waaaaayyyy off topic in a hurry.
For example, the game thread from Missouri St. with Lemon's dash & drop had many more posts about the flu bug that this unbelievable finish and the game itself. Go figure...or rather, don't bother.

Still a great board, but with the large number of posts (that's a GOOD thing!), things can get out of hand and nobody brings the thread back on topic...maybe it's just futile at that point.

[shaunguth]

It's anti bradleyfans, and the problem is the only way to show that is to disagree about this board's overall opinion of JL.

I guess I didn't realize the only way to make a point towards the operating procedures of a message board is to take shots at the former coach.

[Gary the Gargoyle]

We all seem to see things through different lenses, mostly effected by our biases (both good and bad). I'm always most surprised by those who are so married to their own opinion that they couldn't possibly see the situation any other way.

[BuAlum03]

because it's aiming really, really low - kinda like wanting to be Towson

So, are you saying you DIDN'T want us to be among the most improved teams in the country?

[Gary the Gargoyle]

So, are you saying you DIDN'T want us to be among the most improved teams in the country?

I think it's safe to presume that the comment implies that some felt that it wasn't necessary for Bradley to get to the point where 12 wins this season would put you on the 'most improved' list.

[Chico]

We all seem to see things through different lenses, mostly effected by our biases (both good and bad). I'm always most surprised by those who are so married to their own opinion that they couldn't possibly see the situation any other way.

Works both ways.

[TheAsianSensation]

I guess I didn't realize the only way to make a point towards the operating procedures of a message board is to take shots at the former coach.

Well I personally haven't, others have. I have a problem with some of those others.

Still, to attempt to explain their side, they try to refute the opinion of you-know-who...and the is that if the opinion is clearly Les-based, anything you say to refute the opinion makes it sound like they're anti-Les. If someone posts something not factual about his tenure, pointing it out looks like being anti-Les when they're actually anti-lying.

That's the problem with a few select people here. They're actually very clever trolls. They lie and manipulate and write their arguments in a way that tries to incite the other side. So when the other side tries to point out flaws in the thinking, point out the lies and manipulations, it makes them look bad simply because it looks like they're calling out the program and not the poster. Then they can respond with a "we're the bigger and better fan" without addressing the actual mistakes.

So everything you see there is borne out of that. Deep down, their intent isn't to slam Les. But the only way to present their side of the opinion anymore is to criticize his record. If they see hypocrisy, the only way to point it out is to compare posts from now and then, and that means a comparison to the JL era.


All that said, there's a few posters there who have gone too far. Way too far.



postscript: just to provide an example of what I'm talking about, here's an example interchange:

BF poster: "Les had 4 straight 20 win seasons! Can't fire him for performance after one down year"
TOB poster: "Those wins came because of new postseason tournaments that didn't exist before, not an accurate comparison to other eras, etc etc"
BF poster: "You're slamming Les! He's much better than you're saying"
TOB poster: "No, I'm just trying to put the numbers in perspective relative to opportunity"
BF posters: "20 win seasons!"
TOB posters: "Are you even acknowledging my counter-point?"
BF poster: "Ban"

[Da Coach]

TAS, you are usually reasonable, but your last post is absurd. Nobody here has ever been banned for expressing their opinions, or making points in a civil manner. And to suggest there weren't many posters who were anti-Jim Les is almost as absurd. I still hear from people regularly who 2 years later are attacking Jim Les, and wishing him ill will. There are losers who dedicate tremendous amounts of time to creating websites to continue their attacks on JL, because they aren't allowed to do it here.

Your characterization of the kinds of attacks on the previous coach, and players is extremely minimized. There were many uncalled for personal attacks that went beyond the rules of this board. But the main reason a few were banned was because they wanted to use this forum as their own personal bully pulpit to vent their hostility to get the coach fired, or to personally attack other posters who did not share their point of view. Some of those posters have returned and are still frequent posters here, others continue to take their shots, or like the cowardly juveniles that they are (see aggiefan), keep trying to surreptitiously sneak back and sabotage this board or resume their old attacks.

aggiefan isn't the first or only phony signup to try to return and bash Jim Les, and I guarantee he won't be the last. There have been many that were blocked from registering, some of them numerous times. It is the entire reason we had to switch to a moderated registration mode, which was not in place the first 5 years this board existed.