Chicago Simeon vs. Morgan Park - erupts in violence & fatal shooting

[SFP]

T - I agree with you. I believe any violent crime needs to be dealt with quickly and decisively. I know police officers here in SF that are fed up with the judicial system. Criminals learn quickly on how to work the system. If a criminal is caught with dope or his gun alone chances of them getting off is fairly good. What they do then is have young kids act as their dope runners so they never have both things at the same time. If the off hand they have both then the officers can bring in the feds who will prosecute these thugs.

Chicago appears to have really become a war zone. Citizens are already sacrificing personal freedoms so why not declare a national emergency in certain sectors so perhaps there can be some hope for the next generation.

[Bravesfan]

I'm going out on a limb here and assume that these schools are already "no gun" zones. Clearly, criminals have no regard for the rules, which is exactly why more gun laws won't stop behavior like this.

Ditto here. That's why I posted my sarcastic remark about what Obama did the other day. First of all, 23 executive orders to ram his gun restrictions across (I know Congress has to legally debate this, but still). I think that is slightly unconstitutional first and foremost, which surprises me that someone hasn't introduced an impeachment charge on this guy!

Regardless though, my second and far more important point echoes what others have stated. Every gun law in the world will not reduce gun violence, PERIOD! We have to go after the criminals in the harshest manner possible, and start reintroducing (within ourselves) morals and values that will prevent people from going off the deep end over a lost job or a breakup! There's other factors to be looked at as well, but that's the main issue right now.

[Gary the Gargoyle]

I just can't fathom the lack of regard for human life. How people can be so indifferent, I'll never understand. If we're all indeed born innocent, how the decency can be sucked of a person to such an extent is inexplicable.

[wizard1]

Chicago simeon vs Morgan Park

t--- You are 1000% correct. Illinois is the only state that does not allow concealed carry and Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the USA. And yet, Chicago had over 500 murders last year and may very well exceed that this year.
The problem in America is not a gun problem---Its a violence problem and it is really two distinct problems---First is shootings by thugs---Mostly thug on thug, also in robberies and drug-related incidents, and sometimes in anger where innocent bystanders are sometimes shot ( The Simeon-Morgan Park thing was apparently one of these).
The second problem involves mass killings by disturbed "nuts" whose only purpose is to kill a large number of people and then very often, themselves. Newtown and Colorado typify these.
IMO, we need to recognize and understand these two distinct violence problems before we can effectively deal with them. Simply banning guns, adding more gun control laws, or attacking the Second Amendment will not solve these violence problems---Chicago and Connecticut both with strict gun laws have not been able to prevent terrible violence.

[SFP]

Wizard I agree with you as well 1000%.... I've heard ex-criminals say that you can do what you want with gun control but criminals will always be able to walk down the street and find a gun if they want to. Why take the guns away from law abiding citizens. It will just give the thugs an advantage. Let's face it, guns are part of the American fabric and culture let alone a Constitutional Right! We need to approach this violence differently then what a European country would. To me its simple. If you engage in any felony with a gun you're automatically put in front of a special federal crime unit for swift judgement. Forget about the state/city governments that are to weak or in the pockets of those liberals who cannot get out of their own way on these issues. This is about freedom!

[tornado]

The problem could be largely solved if convicted felons were given adequate sentences, and if the laws already in place were properly enforced..

This guy who went into a rage and shot up a St. Louis college got off easy several times in the past, was already on parole for a felony conviction, and even had an ACTIVE WARRANT out on him but cops were to busy to go arrest him...
Of interest is that the very people (law enforcement) who bungled this case and so many others like it - are also the very ones now responsible for answering the press' questions about their ineptitude - and guess what...

"St. Louis police didn't respond to several messages requesting an interview.
St. Louis County courts administrator Paul Fox said it's not unusual for fugitives to go for months
or longer without being apprehended.
Police were also investigating how Johnson obtained a gun. ..."

anyone wanna bet we'll never hear an answer...we need Harry Callahan...

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/20615730/suspect-in-st-louis-school-shooting-had-warrant

[wily coyote]

These problems didn't develope over night and they won't be solved over night. Until some serious changes are made regarding family and penalities when convicted of such hidious crimes that are occuring,it's only going to get worse. Making more serious gun laws is far from the answer and against our 2nd amendment rights. Guns do not kill people ,people kill people. O'Bama is so far out in left field he can't even see the pitcher. The only part of his plan I can agree with is for more stricter back ground checks when buying a gun and that will not stop someone wanting to do harm to others if they really want too. We need to build more prisons and put these bad guys away for longer sentences instead of letting them back on the streets with just a slap on the hands. It would also provide more jobs if more prisons.

[SFP]

These problems didn't develope over night and they won't be solved over night. Until some serious changes are made regarding family and penalities when convicted of such hidious crimes that are occuring,it's only going to get worse. Making more serious gun laws is far from the answer and against our 2nd amendment rights. Guns do not kill people ,people kill people. O'Bama is so far out in left field he can't even see the pitcher. The only part of his plan I can agree with is for more stricter back ground checks when buying a gun and that will not stop someone wanting to do harm to others if they really want too. We need to build more prisons and put these bad guys away for longer sentences instead of letting them back on the streets with just a slap on the hands. It would also provide more jobs if more prisons.

Wily I was with you until the last part. More prisons? We have more prisons and prisoners then any other country. Yes, even more then China. What we need to do is change the prison system and stop putting people away for petty crimes (they can now be monitored and enforce curfews and have them work odd their debts and take drug addicts and mental cases and institutionalize them) and as T said start putting some real time in for those that commit felonies and violent crimes away for some serious time. Let's rehab those that have a chance and put away those that will not and cannot value a human life. As a nation we spend more money on prisons then on our entire educational system.

[Gary the Gargoyle]

Wily I was with you until the last part. More prisons? We have more prisons and prisoners then any other country. Yes, even more then China. What we need to do is change the prison system and stop putting people away for petty crimes (they can now be monitored and enforce curfews and have them work odd their debts and take drug addicts and mental cases and institutionalize them) and as T said start putting some real time in for those that commit felonies and violent crimes away for some serious time. Let's rehab those that have a chance and put away those that will not and cannot value a human life. As a nation we spend more money on prisons then on our entire educational system.

Instead of putting more people in prison, let's put them to work. There is plenty of trash to be picked up. What percentage of Americans who go to prison were on welfare at the time of their crime? Maybe we could at least make those folks earn what we pay them.

[Chico]

Wizard I agree with you as well 1000%.... I've heard ex-criminals say that you can do what you want with gun control but criminals will always be able to walk down the street and find a gun if they want to. Why take the guns away from law abiding citizens. It will just give the thugs an advantage. Let's face it, guns are part of the American fabric and culture let alone a Constitutional Right! We need to approach this violence differently then what a European country would. To me its simple. If you engage in any felony with a gun you're automatically put in front of a special federal crime unit for swift judgement. Forget about the state/city governments that are to weak or in the pockets of those liberals who cannot get out of their own way on these issues. This is about freedom!

+1

[wily coyote]

Instead of putting more people in prison, let's put them to work. There is plenty of trash to be picked up. What percentage of Americans who go to prison were on welfare at the time of their crime? Maybe we could at least make those folks earn what we pay them.

Gary, I totally agree with you on filling our prisons with petty crime people. That was not my point at all. Petty crime people who can be rehabed should not be taking up our prison spaces. We have so much violent crime today that is filling up the prisons. I'm currently in FL.and every night on TV people are killing people and for 3 nights in a row Police have been shot at in the Orlando area. They are complaining about their prisons being overcrowded and we don't want those people out on our streets. It seems a growing segement of our society has no regard for human lives and those people need to be put away for our safety.