Now what?

[wily coyote]

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[SFP]

Yes he should be held to a higher standard but I'm not throwing him under the bus. Does the free education make up for those knees that will kill him when he gets older? What I'm getting at, there are different ways you can look at this. I'll of course state my opinion once I hear what really happened. Regardless we should all wish and pray that he comes out of this a stronger person. After all he's someones son and brother. I can't imagine the angst his parents must be feeling.

[Samd2]

Chico, you are not very familiar with the court system are you ? Guilty people a acquitted every day, thus they receive an innocent verdict, OJ for example. All it takes is a minor violation of someone's rights and case dismissed. Bad search, etc....it happens. and yeah i think he's guilty, but what I think don't matter in room 222.

[Samd2]

delta, a higher standard because he is at Bradley is fine, but then know that if we have higher standards than mandated by the NCAA, we will not climb above mid major.

[Rusty 54]

delta, a higher standard because he is at Bradley is fine, but then know that if we have higher standards than mandated by the NCAA, we will not climb above mid major.

Academic standards are another discussion.

If you mean that strict rules prohibiting drug abuse will keep us from rising above mid-major status, I could not disagree more. Never compromise our integrity for the sake of wins.

[DUBrave5]

delta, a higher standard because he is at Bradley is fine, but then know that if we have higher standards than mandated by the NCAA, we will not climb above mid major.

Academic standards are another discussion.

If you mean that strict rules prohibiting drug abuse will keep us from rising above mid-major status, I could not disagree more. Never compromise our integrity for the sake of wins.

I couldn't agree more Rusty

[Samd2]

If thats the case then I ges because he's at Bradley he should have to finish 6 years to get a degree because after all, we are better than everyone else, we dont make mistakes and LEARN, we just show up on campus and are automatically better than everyone else ? I thought it was about the education, what is going to be learned.

[Fyrebyrd]

How about we stop speculating til we know the facts. Then everyone can open their big yapper about ethics, consequences, et cetera. Just because this is a message board does not mean we have the right to sit here and blast anyone or any institution. This is getting beyond hypothetical conversations and leaning more towards backhanded pontifications which are not objective or productive. In fact I can clearly remember some of us drinking underage at times. And I can remember others of us partying with certain team members and maybe encouraging it. No one is perfect, and no one is guilty until the justice system says other wise.

[Rusty 54]

If thats the case then I ges because he's at Bradley he should have to finish 6 years to get a degree because after all, we are better than everyone else, we dont make mistakes and LEARN, we just show up on campus and are automatically better than everyone else ? I thought it was about the education, what is going to be learned.

Never said we should not help Will. I hope we do help him.
Never said our guys will not make mistakes.
I hope very much that Egolf and all our other players learn from this.

Playing basketball at Bradley is a privilege. Some mistakes result in that privilege being taken away.

[Da Coach]

"Innocent until proven guilty" is a great idea for the courts and the legal justice system of our country. But people do have a right to have opinions, and even make judgements on their own based on the facts that are known. Even Bradley will suspend Will based on just the circumstances and his being arrested. I believe it would be wrong to withhold any suspension just because the case isn't closed yet. Maybe that seems unfair to some, but the athletes are held to a high standard.

That being said, I agree that we should not condemn a person until more of the facts are known.

[DUBrave5]

If thats the case then I ges because he's at Bradley he should have to finish 6 years to get a degree because after all, we are better than everyone else, we dont make mistakes and LEARN, we just show up on campus and are automatically better than everyone else ? I thought it was about the education, what is going to be learned.

What are you talking about 6 years to finish a degree? How many students stay 6 years to get their undergrad degrees and better yet, how many can afford to do that? These players get a high quality education for free and get to play basketball while doing it. They know that they will be in the spotlight and that is what they signed up for by accepting that offer. It is not hard to understand that you probably shouldn't be buying drugs of any kind when you have that much to lose, heck they shouldn't be buying drugs period. And if they are still going to then they better not get busted. They need to know that there are major repercussions when that happens. Unfortunately those repercussions will be how they learn and if that means no more basketball and removal of a scholarship then so be it. When I was a student if I didn't keep my grades up then I would lose my scholarship because I wasn't living up to the deal that Bradley offered me. And if that happened I'd have no one else to blame for the decisions I made that caused that to happen and I'd have to learn from it and move on.

[Chico]

Chico, you are not very familiar with the court system are you ? Guilty people a acquitted every day, thus they receive an innocent verdict, OJ for example. All it takes is a minor violation of someone's rights and case dismissed. Bad search, etc....it happens. and yeah i think he's guilty, but what I think don't matter in room 222.

Sam, I'm very familiar with the court system. But if he's acquitted because of a minor violation of his rights, or a bad search, you will still know he's guilty, not just think he's guilty, because you know what happened first hand. Right. As I said earlier, we all wish he was innocent.

[Samd2]

maybe I'm just letting myself get to worked up over this. I usually just read and never post much besides ask a question or two. But this just fired me up and this is why. I don't believe he should get hammered for this. I do believe he should be dealt with, and punished. but in a productive way that improves him as a person long after he finishes playing basketball. I believe that people make mistakes and learn from those mistakes. BU has the opportunity to help one of the players make a huge change in his life. What if he was never caught ? Where would he be in ten years ? I got upset because what I read on the board was zero tolerance, he should be gone. That would just be wrong. I have faith in the program, they will do whats right by WE and BU.

I will keep any further opinions to private messages for now and go back to reading posts

[Gary the Gargoyle]

"Innocent until proven guilty" is a great idea for the courts and the legal justice system of our country. But people do have a right to have opinions, and even make judgements on their own based on the facts that are known. Even Bradley will suspend Will based on just the circumstances and his being arrested. I believe it would be wrong to withhold any suspension just because the case isn't closed yet. Maybe that seems unfair to some, but the athletes are held to a high standard.

I agree. There is always a court of public opinion that goes to trial much quicker than the actual case. As for delaying suspensions, I also agree with you in this regard. The basketball season will likely be over longer before Will would be convicted or found innocent.

[SFP]

Academic standards are another discussion.

If you mean that strict rules prohibiting drug abuse will keep us from rising above mid-major status, I could not disagree more. Never compromise our integrity for the sake of wins.

Need to stick to our ideals and there are other programs with the same or stricter policies that have done fine. BYU for one has much stricter code of ethic then BU will ever have.