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Will Egolf arrested for drug charge...

real fan said:
There are a lot of options out there as far as treating someone with a drug or alcohol addiction , first of all they need to find out if he really has a problem or if he was not getting these 6 pills to use for the New Years holiday , has he been doing this regularly or was this just a spur of the moment bad idea, only Will knows the answer to this but speculating that just because he purchased them on the street does not automatically mean that he has a big problem , he definitely needs to see a drug Counselor in order to get to the root of the problem and he they have offices for this so I see no need to admit him somewhere for 30 days as if he had that type of problem then everyone he has had contact with lately would have noticed that type of problem.
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I agree. The act does not guarantee that he has an addiction, but I believe that it's certainly enough of a red flag to be sure that it's confirmed one way or the other.

It couldn't have been too spur of the moment, because he knew exactly where to go to get the pills. Obviously, it's reasonable to question Fletcher's credibility, but I believe that it was reported that he told the police that it wasn't Will's first transaction.
 
STLbraves said:
Just curious what you thought was self-righteous about Kirk's article. I don't think Kirk giving his opinion on how BU should handle this is self-righteous. "I'm sure the administration can handle this appropriately" doesn't make for a very good read.
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I am not sure why I must justify my opinion. Perhaps you think it isn't as good as yours?

Until that’s addressed in a meaningful way, by professionals in the field of drug abuse, Egolf should not play again for Bradley. His future is at stake."
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He should have put an "In my opinion" in front of or after that statement. It is stated as if it is a fact, and by someone who is now some kind of authority. For someone to make that statement, because he talked to someone at Proctor, or because some collegue went through a drug problem, without knowing the nature of WE's problem, IMO is self righteous and irresponsible. I believe the decision should be left to those in charge and the professionals they consult. As I said, I am sure it will be handled properly. They do not need a newspaper employee, even if he is paid for his opinions, to instruct them how it should be handled.
Likewise, I am free to express my opinions, and I don't even charge anything for them.
 
Gary the Gargoyle said:
.. it wasn't Will's first transaction.
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can you show me that quote?
You are apparently remembering a wild rumor being stated on another message board that is patently false...

Thankfully WMBD has done some fine reporting...
http://www.1470wmbd.com/pages/15171087.php?

Here's what's being reported by them...

1) "Egolf, after saying he understood his rights and agreed to speak more to deputies, said he is not addicted to pain killers"
Given that and the lack of any other proof that he is addicted - then I think a full opinion column talking ad infinitum about Will being addicted, needing de-tox, and how to go about it with interviews of other professional de-tox experts who have absolutely no knowledge whatsoever of Will or his situation - is pretty wild and irresponsible!

2) "Egolf got out of the passenger side of Fletcher's car. One deputy yelled at Egolf to come back to him, but Egolf kept walking to his car...
which was parked in front of Fletcher's. One pill was found on the floor of Egolf's car, while the other five more were in a pouch behind the passenger's seat."
...so a total of 6 pills were found - none were seen to have changed hands, and Fletcher says the money was for something else...

also...
"Fletcher said he had more Vicodin in an Advil bottle in his car."
...so even tho Fletcher had MORE Vicodin - Will only allegedly acquired six? This is like watching a supposed chocoholic eat six M&M's but leave the entire rest of the pile alone!
It make the diagnosis of addiction a pretty slim possiblity...

3) "Egolf said he gave Fletcher $20 for a few Vicodin and Tramadol pills."
...so now we have a report that Will also bought Tramadol - another pain pill that is PRESCRIPTION ONLY but which is NOT narcotic, not addictive, and virtually NEVER taken recreationally?
This is sorta looking an awful lot like just maybe what Will said is PRECISELY TRUE -- that he just needed a couple of pain pills - thought this was a simple, easy way to go aboutit without bothering anyone else,
and obviously got caught making a big lapse in judgement. BUT he's not addicted...
..btw - Fletcher's car had "cannabis" but Will's car was searched and did not.
 
Biff said:
I am not sure why I must justify my opinion. Perhaps you think it isn't as good as yours.



For someone to make that statement,as if he is now some kind of expert because he talked to someone at Proctor, or because some collegue went through a drug program, without knowing the nature of WE's problem, IMO is self righteous and irresponsible. I believe the decision should be left to those in charge and the professionals they consult. As I said, I am sure it will be handled properly. They do not need a newspaper employee, even if he is paid for his opinions, to instruct them how it should be handled.
Likewise, I am free to express my opinions, and I don't even charge anything for them.
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He never said he was an expert......he discussed it with experts and wrote about possibilities....and he said the decision will be left to those in charge.....I guess I don't see the beef....
 
Just read the article....not sure why anyone would think KW is assuming one side over the other. He made generally good points, IMO. He may have a problem or may not. It should be found out one way or the other, and he shouldn't play until it is figured out. If he's not addicted, he'll be cleared with plenty of time left in the season. If he is, then the problem gets fixed.

The problem is that the circumstances and events can be correlated with multiple possibilities. Based on the events as reported, if Egolf has an addiction, then the events fit that narrative. But, if Egolf doesn't and just needed a few to get rid of pain, then the events also fit that narrative. I don't think it's fair to presume either scenario as the correct one at this point.
 
tornado said:
read the WMBD report and my subsequent post above - the answer is yes, I do...and we all have our biases - but I do have a few courses in medical subjects under my belt...

and how is it that WMBD apparently has the police report but other reporting sources do not?
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That is clearly what Will and Fletcher told the police.

I wonder if anyone has ever lied to, or mis-lead the police while giving a statement upon their arrest?
 
tornado said:
can you show me that quote?
You are apparently remembering a wild rumor being stated on another message board that is patently false...
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I cannot. At the time of my post, I was thinking that I read it in a report. However, it was a comment made by an attorney on another message board.
 
Gary the Gargoyle said:
I cannot. At the time of my post, I was thinking that I read it in a report. However, it was a comment made by an attorney on another message board.
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I was under the same assumption from the whole "paying off an old debt" thing that was reported that Fletcher said. Unless he did some repair work for will, I can't imagine another reason Will is hanging out with a 34 year old bar rat.


And tornado - is KW too positive or too negative?

Biff - it was an opinion piece by an opinion writer. He doesn't need to put IMO on anything. Most people with any newspaper reading experience know that v
 
Gary the Gargoyle said:
That is clearly what Will and Fletcher told the police.

I wonder if anyone has ever lied to, or mis-lead the police while giving a statement upon their arrest?
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Gary - can you reason why Will would lie, since almost everyone else from Tiger Woods to many politicians to Lindsay Lohan
always lie and say they DO have addictions in order to have an alibi & get out of the charges?



Gary the Gargoyle said:
... However, it was a comment made by an attorney on another message board.
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Hmm ..an attorney...interesting....

because then if he does know any facts about the case, then he is violating the very fundamental ethics of his own profession and it's unethical, unprofessional, and dishonest
...however - if he really doesn't have any fundamental knowledge of the case, then he's obviously lying...I really can't see any in-between.
 
tornado said:
Az - nobody ever said he'd do anything - just the discussion of why the judge would set such a low bond for a felony charge...
I am taking it as a sign the judge is not impressed with the severity of the behavior or not fearful WE's gonna go out and repeat the behavior
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I know, I know, I know.... Just some 'gallows humor'....

If I can't find some way to laugh about this, I'd just cry all day...

Let me take my tongue out of my cheek.

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abesimpson said:
Agree with KW.

While it's easy to blame his knee pain and take into account his otherwise clean record and positive character traits that everyone at BU knows, an independent third-party should be involved to make absolutely sure there is not a larger problem with addiction.
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85% of what KW wrote is spot on. I wish for the sake of Will and the program he would not have gone into specific treatment without knowing the facts unless he also wrote other likely outcomes if perhaps WE is not remotely dependent on pain-killers. I agree there needs to be a 3rd party involved to determine his overall health. I'd also suspect that WE may be better served practicing and playing ball if physically healthy enough. The team is like a family to him I bet and hard workouts can help you in numerous ways. Just ripping that fabric away completely may do him more harm then any possible good.

I'm a person that believes that the drug issues in this country need to be addressed as an illness and not as a criminal offense. The only reason I'd hold him out of playing would be for his physical and mental well being.
 
I find it amusing how KW writes a opinion column expressing his hope that Egolf's situation be handled very carefully with his mental and physical health being the priority, and people still somehow find a way to take issue with it.

He should have put an "In my opinion" in front of or after that statement. It is stated as if it is a fact, and by someone who is now some kind of authority.
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The entire thing is an opinion piece. It's not a news article. Writing "in my opinion" would be a little overkill.
 
amettrick said:
The entire thing is an opinion piece. It's not a news article. Writing "in my opinion" would be a little overkill.
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so why does he call someone at the addiction center to get a narrative of how to treat drug addiction - he needs help with his opinion?
..and he starts his dissertation with "I have no idea if WE has an addiction"...but "I know he has a problem"
then proceeds to spend two pages telling us how he ought to go about treating his addiction problem including detailing 30-day stays in the inpatient de-tox center...
sounds like a pretty strong directive and not just opinion...
 
tornado said:
so why does he call someone at the addiction center to get a narrative of how to treat drug addiction - he needs help with his opinion?
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Its called research! There's nothing wrong with asking an expert their opinion. I'm not a KW fan - you can read my posts on this subject- but this piece is not so far off.

I've also seen people with addiction problems and I know how it can set them back tremendously if not nipped in the bud. I'd rather take a cautious route on this any day.
 
tornado said:
I have offered opinions and offered responses to other opinions, kinda just what a message board is for....
- what have you got?

I don't think they should drag him into a 30-day stay in the de-tox center as some have suggested
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I have provided my opinion...go back and reread my posts in this thread.

The biggest difference between you and me in this case is I'm looking at it with an unbiased opinion. You just can't stand the thought of KW providing an informative op-ed piece that most people on this forum actually agree with.

Like most message boards, there is a place for differing opinions. I agree with KW's and disagree with yours.
 
I just reviewed the last three pages of this thread and quite frankly I am stunned. Everyone knows that I hate the PJS, but in all honesty, there is nothing wrong with KW's column! The views in KW's column can also be found in parts of this thread! Will has a problem and Bradley along with the fans of the program need to support him.
 
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