Will Egolf arrested for drug charge...

[real fan]

There are a lot of options out there as far as treating someone with a drug or alcohol addiction , first of all they need to find out if he really has a problem or if he was not getting these 6 pills to use for the New Years holiday , has he been doing this regularly or was this just a spur of the moment bad idea, only Will knows the answer to this but speculating that just because he purchased them on the street does not automatically mean that he has a big problem , he definitely needs to see a drug Counselor in order to get to the root of the problem and he they have offices for this so I see no need to admit him somewhere for 30 days as if he had that type of problem then everyone he has had contact with lately would have noticed that type of problem.

[Gary the Gargoyle]

but not IRRESPONSIBLE TO PRESUME HE DOES HAVE AN ADDICTION??
This is like calling a guy out for beating his wife then saying you really don't know nor have any evidence that he ever beat his wife...

one more note - the State of IL keeps an online database of every person in the state who fills even one prescription for any controlled substance or narcotic -
and only health professionals can access this site - so as to be able to determine if any patient that is being prescribed for isn't secretively getting more meds
from some other place/source, other doctors, ER, etc...
Let me put it this way - if Will even has the tiniest addiction and has filled even one prescription then it would be easy to know that -

Will exhibited a behavior that would indicate that someone may have a problem. By my interpretation, this is what lead Kirk to write what he wrote.

As to your second point, obviously, when Will needs a prescription he doesn't always go to the pharmacy. I doubt that Mr. Fletcher contributes his "prescription" updates to the website.

[lefty]

The KW opinion column appears to presume WE has a serious narcotic addiction.... he talks about getting the addiction addressed and even calls the local addiction treatment center and interviews an expert and gives a lengthy piece on how to treat the addiction (de-tox) - with talk of hospitalizing the addict for 30 days at a time....


This is pretty wild, irresponsible talk about a young man who has no addiction and has never been diagnosed with an addiction...
plus he says Will "should not play again for Bradley"...then
..a couple lines later says... "I hope we get to see Egolf play again."

I know you don't like being misquoted T......but you sure did here.

He also said this.."I have no idea whether Egolf is addicted to pain-killers".

It wasn't wild or irresponsible....I'm sure with your experience and all the people you know that you understand how addictions work. I've had numerous situations with family, and employees over the years and there wasn't anything in the article that wasn't true.

By the way...how do you know he doesn't have an addiction?

[tornado]

sure - he has no idea but he sure speculated wildly - or is the two page column about putting addicts into rehab & detox all about someone at ISU??

I don't know - where did I ever say I do know that??
..but there's an awful lot of talk about WE being addicted - considering people do not know and have such little evidence.
- all I am saying is the evidence just isn't there --

[abesimpson]

Agree with KW.

While it's easy to blame his knee pain and take into account his otherwise clean record and positive character traits that everyone at BU knows, an independent third-party should be involved to make absolutely sure there is not a larger problem with addiction.

[Gary the Gargoyle]

There are a lot of options out there as far as treating someone with a drug or alcohol addiction , first of all they need to find out if he really has a problem or if he was not getting these 6 pills to use for the New Years holiday , has he been doing this regularly or was this just a spur of the moment bad idea, only Will knows the answer to this but speculating that just because he purchased them on the street does not automatically mean that he has a big problem , he definitely needs to see a drug Counselor in order to get to the root of the problem and he they have offices for this so I see no need to admit him somewhere for 30 days as if he had that type of problem then everyone he has had contact with lately would have noticed that type of problem.

I agree. The act does not guarantee that he has an addiction, but I believe that it's certainly enough of a red flag to be sure that it's confirmed one way or the other.

It couldn't have been too spur of the moment, because he knew exactly where to go to get the pills. Obviously, it's reasonable to question Fletcher's credibility, but I believe that it was reported that he told the police that it wasn't Will's first transaction.

[Biff]

Just curious what you thought was self-righteous about Kirk's article. I don't think Kirk giving his opinion on how BU should handle this is self-righteous. "I'm sure the administration can handle this appropriately" doesn't make for a very good read.

I am not sure why I must justify my opinion. Perhaps you think it isn't as good as yours?

Until that’s addressed in a meaningful way, by professionals in the field of drug abuse, Egolf should not play again for Bradley. His future is at stake."

He should have put an "In my opinion" in front of or after that statement. It is stated as if it is a fact, and by someone who is now some kind of authority. For someone to make that statement, because he talked to someone at Proctor, or because some collegue went through a drug problem, without knowing the nature of WE's problem, IMO is self righteous and irresponsible. I believe the decision should be left to those in charge and the professionals they consult. As I said, I am sure it will be handled properly. They do not need a newspaper employee, even if he is paid for his opinions, to instruct them how it should be handled.
Likewise, I am free to express my opinions, and I don't even charge anything for them.

[tornado]

.. it wasn't Will's first transaction.

can you show me that quote?
You are apparently remembering a wild rumor being stated on another message board that is patently false...

Thankfully WMBD has done some fine reporting...

http://www.1470wmbd.com/pages/15171087.php?

Here's what's being reported by them...

1) "Egolf, after saying he understood his rights and agreed to speak more to deputies, said he is not addicted to pain killers"
Given that and the lack of any other proof that he is addicted - then I think a full opinion column talking ad infinitum about Will being addicted, needing de-tox, and how to go about it with interviews of other professional de-tox experts who have absolutely no knowledge whatsoever of Will or his situation - is pretty wild and irresponsible!

2) "Egolf got out of the passenger side of Fletcher's car. One deputy yelled at Egolf to come back to him, but Egolf kept walking to his car...
which was parked in front of Fletcher's. One pill was found on the floor of Egolf's car, while the other five more were in a pouch behind the passenger's seat."
...so a total of 6 pills were found - none were seen to have changed hands, and Fletcher says the money was for something else...

also...
"Fletcher said he had more Vicodin in an Advil bottle in his car."
...so even tho Fletcher had MORE Vicodin - Will only allegedly acquired six? This is like watching a supposed chocoholic eat six M&M's but leave the entire rest of the pile alone!
It make the diagnosis of addiction a pretty slim possiblity...

3) "Egolf said he gave Fletcher $20 for a few Vicodin and Tramadol pills."
...so now we have a report that Will also bought Tramadol - another pain pill that is PRESCRIPTION ONLY but which is NOT narcotic, not addictive, and virtually NEVER taken recreationally?
This is sorta looking an awful lot like just maybe what Will said is PRECISELY TRUE -- that he just needed a couple of pain pills - thought this was a simple, easy way to go aboutit without bothering anyone else,
and obviously got caught making a big lapse in judgement. BUT he's not addicted...
..btw - Fletcher's car had "cannabis" but Will's car was searched and did not.

[lefty]

I am not sure why I must justify my opinion. Perhaps you think it isn't as good as yours.



For someone to make that statement,as if he is now some kind of expert because he talked to someone at Proctor, or because some collegue went through a drug program, without knowing the nature of WE's problem, IMO is self righteous and irresponsible. I believe the decision should be left to those in charge and the professionals they consult. As I said, I am sure it will be handled properly. They do not need a newspaper employee, even if he is paid for his opinions, to instruct them how it should be handled.
Likewise, I am free to express my opinions, and I don't even charge anything for them.

He never said he was an expert......he discussed it with experts and wrote about possibilities....and he said the decision will be left to those in charge.....I guess I don't see the beef....

[TheAsianSensation]

Just read the article....not sure why anyone would think KW is assuming one side over the other. He made generally good points, IMO. He may have a problem or may not. It should be found out one way or the other, and he shouldn't play until it is figured out. If he's not addicted, he'll be cleared with plenty of time left in the season. If he is, then the problem gets fixed.

The problem is that the circumstances and events can be correlated with multiple possibilities. Based on the events as reported, if Egolf has an addiction, then the events fit that narrative. But, if Egolf doesn't and just needed a few to get rid of pain, then the events also fit that narrative. I don't think it's fair to presume either scenario as the correct one at this point.

[Gary the Gargoyle]

read the WMBD report and my subsequent post above - the answer is yes, I do...and we all have our biases - but I do have a few courses in medical subjects under my belt...

and how is it that WMBD apparently has the police report but other reporting sources do not?

That is clearly what Will and Fletcher told the police.

I wonder if anyone has ever lied to, or mis-lead the police while giving a statement upon their arrest?

[Gary the Gargoyle]

can you show me that quote?
You are apparently remembering a wild rumor being stated on another message board that is patently false...

I cannot. At the time of my post, I was thinking that I read it in a report. However, it was a comment made by an attorney on another message board.

[Gary the Gargoyle]

I would suppose that if the athletic department or basketball program has a big problem with what KW wrote, his access will be lessened. Stay tuned...

[JMM28]

I cannot. At the time of my post, I was thinking that I read it in a report. However, it was a comment made by an attorney on another message board.

I was under the same assumption from the whole "paying off an old debt" thing that was reported that Fletcher said. Unless he did some repair work for will, I can't imagine another reason Will is hanging out with a 34 year old bar rat.


And tornado - is KW too positive or too negative?

Biff - it was an opinion piece by an opinion writer. He doesn't need to put IMO on anything. Most people with any newspaper reading experience know that v

[lefty]

And tornado - is KW too positive or too negative?

v

Neither.....he was too KW