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I'm starting to get the feeling from what I am reading here that the 7 Catholic schools from the Big East would rather stay in a ravamped Big East if they had their choice. These 7 schools would make up a great core of schools that would probably be good for at least 2 to 3 bids just amongst themselves. The addition of Temple really strengthens things. Then it's a matter of purging a few other teams like Creighton, Butler and a Dayton or Detroit to round out the conference to 10 teams. The remaining football members like UConn, Cincinnati and South Florida are going to be gone anyway, so what remains of a revamped Big East basketball only conference will probably be the midwest private school conference that people are looking to form anyway. That is unless this arrangement lasts two years and they merge with the A-10, but a 20+ team conference is more than a little bulky in my opinion. -
Controversial thought: If I'm Elgin, I offer the Catholic 7 plus Xavier (and Dayton/St Louis if you want) a spot in the MVC.
The result: a 20 team MVC. 2 divisions of 10, so you can still play with your old mates reasonably often. You kill the BEast and the A-10 and become the prominent non-football league in the country.
The Catholic 7 will have a home to go to instead of trying to build one from scratch. You latch onto a very stable league. It's better than the A-10 because the MVC deadweight is much better than the A-10 deadweight (Fordham, LaSalle, et al). You can negotiate a TV contract that spans half the country. You have no flight risks outside of the occasional ISU who wants FBS. Can afford to lose a team or two anyways. Secures a place in the top tier of the NCAA.
You have to commit to a big change, and you do leave out teams like Butler, Richmond, VCU, Detroit, and other good A-10 programs, but it's eat or be eaten.Comment
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Originally posted by TheAsianSensation View PostToo me not moving is the bigger risk and I agree with TAS' numbers and that is why this is doable. You need to create a viable realistic plan followed by the buy in of a major media outlet. Just take BU as an example. What if the Valley blows up? Do you think Cross and the Prez would have a job if BU does not land in the right conference? I'd almost guarantee they would be ran out of town. Each and every private university is under the same pressure so why wait until someone else makes your decision for you? I can tell you the greatest businesses globally did not just sit around and wait to see what the competitors were going to do. You have a vision, create a plan and sell the hell out of it.Originally posted by amckillip View Post"Educate and inform the whole mass of the people...they are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."
??” Thomas Jefferson
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Another interesting proposal. We'll see what happens in the near future.Originally posted by TheAsianSensation View PostComment
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that's certainly audacious enough. I'd love that outcome but it has to be a long shot.Originally posted by TheAsianSensation View PostComment
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Officials from the 7 Big East Catholic school met Sunday to discuss their common concerns as the Big East keeps losing basketball-only schools, and seems more intent on concentrating on football. There has been no official word on any action planned. However, this new article from the Chicago Sun Times says- "sources indicate a vote by the university presidents to separate (from the Big East) could be imminent."
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Interesting. Okay Mr. Elgin, time to get on the phone with all of these schools. I expect Bradley to be playing Villanova and Georgetown in two years!Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
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Time to throw away the rotary dial phone...Elgin and Cross start making calls. Cross, most important...start calling....
If we do nothing, we are going to be laying down in the mud and dust and will continue in a Tier 3 conference.
Go BU Go Go BU.... Aggressive/Proactive/Forceful but Prudent...Comment
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It does feel like we'll finally know what the end of the realignment spasm will look like, possibly very soon. The basketball-only members of the Big East have always been the most interesting part of this whole deal, since I don't really care about the football aspects (other than the fact that they are what started all the problems).Comment
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Sorry to tell you guys but BU calling by themselves would probably not be a strong enough proposition for these schools to pick up the phone. Now if we created a a group and presented a strong front which could inspire them and speak to their vision as well then we could have a chance. This is why I've been stating that BU has hopefully been working on a contingency plan for quite some time. These relationships have had to be worked on for months if not years. We are the sellers not the buyers and our value proposition needs to be solid with real explainable revenue numbers and positive academic possibilities behind us. We go in this with CU and pick off one institution at a time we have a chance. We go at it as a lone wolf and we limit our chances. We need to build some mass. CU and SLU would be great places to start unless Cross has some direct lines into the Big East schools."Educate and inform the whole mass of the people...they are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."
??” Thomas Jefferson
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Jeff Goodman reports that the Big East 7 talked about bringing in Xavier and Butler, which has been known for a year, but also (surprisingly) St Louis.
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Actually, I think St Louis is the most ironclad lock of any addition to the Catholic 7. Well, maybe Xavier, but I always thought StL would get the first call.Originally posted by Indy_BB View Post
In any event, I expect those 3 to be their consensus. There's a lot of ducks to line up in a row first though.Comment
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Creighton and Wichita State - lose one and I think the Valley can hang on, at least until the football schools try to jump. Lose both and I really don't know.
Creighton fits the private Catholic profile, but maybe geography finally plays a factor.
Wichita State is good at the right time, but I don't know if the have the appeal on the east cost. I have a hard time seeing Georgetown or Villanova being excited to bringing in WSU, or Creighton for that matter. The Shockers also don't fit with the profile of private Catholic schools. If WSU stays, the Valley might be able to hold on.
I'm trying to convince myself that if CU and/or WSU leaves, it would be easer to pull a Gonzaga or Butler and stand head and shoulders above the rest of the conference. Then from there BU could become nationally known and successful. Have to get back to the top first though.Last edited by Rusty 54; 12-13-2012, 11:29 AM.Return to GloryComment
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Don't think that this link worked. But Tuesday evening St. Louis Post Dispatch article mentioning Creighton and St. Louis as distinct possibilities for the revised B East BB conference.Comment
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The latest report from CBSSports is that it is a done deal- the 7 Catholic schools are moving ahead with forming their own conference for basketball.
This almost surely will expand and include St. Louis and Creighton.Comment
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